RaffTheDuck
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Just another filthy min-maxer, nothing to see here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by RaffTheDuck on Jul 10, 2018 3:56:22 GMT
Btw I have no idea how balance patch will affect our current meta xtals & the lack of conclusion to this keeps me up at night
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Post by rizen on Jul 10, 2018 15:49:29 GMT
Btw I have no idea how balance patch will affect our current meta xtals & the lack of conclusion to this keeps me up at night Maybe same w/ pally's xtals because atk% will be more useful. Still have to max crt stat tho, since it still greatly increase dmg output.
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 18:42:12 GMT
I'm also struggling with the crt thing. The balance between atk and crt up until now I kinda got.. Like crt is the multiplier of the attack so not enough crt and it doesn't multiply to full potential.. Too much and some is wasted until you get more attack then that crt works. Now u wonder if its a case of crt will multiply less but you would still need just as much to get the max potential crt dmg. The difference with white and crt dmg is big so more atk isn't necessarily the answer if u rely on crt dmg. Me thinks there is gonna be a lot of Fort bailune tps used and a lot of scraps of paper laying around.
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Post by rizen on Jul 11, 2018 0:23:43 GMT
I'm also struggling with the crt thing. The balance between atk and crt up until now I kinda got.. Like crt is the multiplier of the attack so not enough crt and it doesn't multiply to full potential.. Too much and some is wasted until you get more attack then that crt works. Now u wonder if its a case of crt will multiply less but you would still need just as much to get the max potential crt dmg. The difference with white and crt dmg is big so more atk isn't necessarily the answer if u rely on crt dmg. Me thinks there is gonna be a lot of Fort bailune tps used and a lot of scraps of paper laying around. as someone who doesn't have the time and ability to do those calculations, I'm rooting for you! Ganbate Maxwello ~sama
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Post by juice on Jul 11, 2018 4:40:09 GMT
The way it works is simply like a square, where the sides are atk and the other is crt. The area is the damage. Example you have 10 points
So you do 1atk 9crt=9 damage 2atk 8crt=16 damage 3atk 7crt= 21 damage 4atk 6crt= 24 damage 5atk 5crt= 25 damage
This is true of all calculation the closer the numbers the more damage you do at lower levels it was difficult to get atk% and crt% went up super fast so it was the better choice but once we started getting atk% we notice a huge jump in dmg and we all notice The previous formula supported dealing the highest damage with crt% being as close to atk% but now is doesn't.
After the adjustment it will be like this Example 1000 white damage 400 of crt No atk%, crt% or element.
1000*(1.5+(400/200))=3500 If we add 10% atk 1100*(1.5*(400/200))=3850 (10% more) If instead we add 10% crt 1000*(1.5+(400/200)+.1)=3600 (4% only)
Adding more crt makes crt% more worthless since the damage increase at a decreasing rate.
With no crt 10% crt damage give a 20% damage boost
With 100 crt 10% crt damage gives a 10%
With 200 crt 10% crt damages gives a 6.7%
With 300 crt 10% crt damages gives a 5%
With 400 crt 10% crt damage gives a 4%
Basically in theory to maximize damage
Only add 2 crt for every 1% of atk so if total equipment and boost give 100% atk boost then put 200 crt beyond that it would be too insignificant. Crt% damage would also have to match atk% under this calculations and that is just impossible.
The downside with be to make up for the auto and crt rate and that is where the dilemma is at.
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RaffTheDuck
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Just another filthy min-maxer, nothing to see here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by RaffTheDuck on Jul 11, 2018 21:47:24 GMT
If that formula is true then one of us would have to find out which combination would yield the highest dmg possible:
1Crt, Daiginjo up Raton 1Crt, Monty up Raton 400Crt Daiginjo up Raton 400Crt Monty up Raton
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1Crt, Daiginjo up Vida 1Crt, Monty up Vida 400Crt Daiginjo up Vida 400Crt Monty up Vida
if Vida wins, then min-maxers will start saving up for Mr.Oritius to put on additional, as well as special
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RaffTheDuck
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Just another filthy min-maxer, nothing to see here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by RaffTheDuck on Jul 12, 2018 3:07:55 GMT
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RaffTheDuck
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Just another filthy min-maxer, nothing to see here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by RaffTheDuck on Jul 12, 2018 4:18:34 GMT
Ran a test at sofya:
1Crt Dai Clean=98-100k 1Crt Monty clean= 94-96k
400Crt Dai Clean= 188-197k 400Crt Monty Clean=187-197k
1Crt Dai Raton=109-111k 1Crt Monty Raton=99-106k
400Crt Dai Raton=198-211k 400Crt Monty Raton=198-212k
Monty Raton wins, but by a small amount.
Anyone is welcome to try using Telon or Mr.Ori on Monty to see if that beats Raton, I'm way too poor to try that & using empty crystas are too scary to use back & forth for me.
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Sasorro
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You are never weak, you just have to find a different way to defeat your enemies, so never give up!
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Post by Sasorro on Jul 12, 2018 11:47:37 GMT
Whats builds yall going now. I replaced about all my crt xtals with dmg types just dont have enough for another mr.oritius to check if raton is worth replacing.
-Gear- Hauteclaire+9☆rate cut4 Sauro2 Boo up+9☆critcal5 inibila Monty up+9☆mp5 raton Add☆critcal2 Myrica☆rate cut5 mr.oritius
-Stats- Str 430 Agi 118 Dex 401 Crt 421 Rest 1
-al xtals- Yellow 6 red 2 Ouvel Sauro 2 Teo Gatekeeper Valtia
Trying determine what be best gear and stats after this balance.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jul 12, 2018 12:44:09 GMT
Whats builds yall going now. I replaced about all my crt xtals with dmg types just dont have enough for another mr.oritius to check if raton is worth replacing. -Gear- Hauteclaire+9☆rate cut4 Sauro2 Boo up+9☆critcal5 inibela Monty up+9☆mp5 raton Add☆critcal2 Myrica☆rate cut5 mr.oritius -Stats- Str 430 Agi 118 Dex 401 Crt 421 Rest 1 -al xtals- Yellow 6 red 2 Ouvel Sauro 2 Teo Gatekeeper Valtia Trying determine what be best gear and stats after this balance. You have to decide what path you want to go between these two: 1. Sword Tempest spammer. STR CRT AGI (all 3 maxed) and the rest balance it between DEX and VIT depending on preference. 2. Valkyrie Blade spammer. STR CRT DEX (all 3 maxed) and the rest VIT. Personally, I chose option nr.2. So I removed my AGI and put it in other stats. One advantage of this build is that Valkyrie does high dmg on both mobs and bosses (so you can use it to grind), while Sword Tempest only on bosses.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jul 12, 2018 15:40:05 GMT
Whats builds yall going now. I replaced about all my crt xtals with dmg types just dont have enough for another mr.oritius to check if raton is worth replacing. -Gear- Hauteclaire+9☆rate cut4 Sauro2 Boo up+9☆critcal5 inibela Monty up+9☆mp5 raton Add☆critcal2 Myrica☆rate cut5 mr.oritius -Stats- Str 430 Agi 118 Dex 401 Crt 421 Rest 1 -al xtals- Yellow 6 red 2 Ouvel Sauro 2 Teo Gatekeeper Valtia Trying determine what be best gear and stats after this balance. 1 10% crt xtal is good to keep
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