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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:40:18 GMT
Hi hi  I created my special sword samurai 2 days ago and I'd like to ask about the build I'm trying to polish and finalize. First, I'll show my stats and equipment. Level 177 256VIT 280DEX 100GR Genius w/ Critical III + HP 3 Bellow of Order no up w/ Iniliba + Provoke 5 (armor came with abi) Monty Beret no up w/ Critical III Myrica Wristlet ns Basic al xtals all green. (Critical III xtals are used temporarily until my level is high enough to get good crt rate) My idea is this: VIT - self explanatory DEX - at least 300 for delay and hit GR - 100 points for eva and damage (with yellow lines) STR - at least 200 for beelzenoid AGI - exactly 256 for the evasion rate limit cap increase (see here: iruna-online.wikiwiki.jp/?cmd=read&page=%A5%B9%A5%C6%A1%BC%A5%BF%A5%B9%2FAGI%A4%CB%A4%E8%A4%EB%C8%EF%A5%AF%A5%EA%A5%C6%A5%A3%A5%AB%A5%EB%A4%D8%A4%CE%B1%C6%B6%C1&word=95%25)At mid levels, my stats would be: 256VIT 300DEX 100GR 256AGI 200STR And at higher levels, my stat build would be: VIT > DEX > STR > AGI - 100GR Why did I put STR over AGI? - As it is, str and agi give the same amount of atk as a samurai. Agi would benefit us better due to the evasion boost, but I still chose str. The reason is that I want to use boo effectively, and I can't do it without a good amount of str. With this, str will give more atk gain when compared to agi and vit (2.2 vs 1 vs 2) and is pretty close to dex's atk gain (2.25 with monty). Now I know ultimi re up would give better damage, but damage isn't the only thing I'm going for here (which is evident on my equipment) and I could still use it anyway (if I only had the money for it xD). Questions: 1) How much evasion should I expect from 2r3g al xtal setup with 100gr? Would I still need shelk and other stuff in order to get good enough evasion (1000+ maybe?)? 2) I read that there's a skill that gives -1sec sd at level 260 iirc. With that skill, should I get cheltil and replace noid with telon? Noid vs telon damage? 3) What atk+% xtal is recommended on weapon? And please, no expensive ones x.x I would at least like +10% and above and no negatives that would kill me (such as dajarte). That's all for now and tia! Will edit this post as I progress. P.S. I have consulted @ewpeople and Just Shu before coming here to get other opinions. They helped me get this far on my build and I am grateful |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 14, 2018 0:52:18 GMT
For any kind samu, ultimi reup beat boo. Trust me, Agi is more important than str if you want going in Vit route. Personally, just use myrica instead for more dps. Why Agi beat str for vit samu? 1. samu increase 1 atk/agi plus extra evasion. Boo increase 1 atk/str (I think up version add more atk/str). BUT, without evasion, samurai survival is veeery low because they only relies at tsubame & zashin for defensive skill which only work against 1 hit. So if you get hitted when your tsubame buff is off, you will be easily killed. I test it before when I change my pally to samu at first time, and I cant even stand against mineneaga  2. either issen & fs is atk & crt based damage. Just focus at atk will drop your dps. Thats why ultimi still 1st dps armor choice for any class that relies at crt damage (samu, gladi, sk, even bk). 3) there are no limit cap agi for evasion, each boss has different minimum evasion to evade 80% their attack (such as almas that need 1.5k eva which means you need more than 256 agi). For me, just invest other 100 stats at red line for more attack with yellow line apos. |
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Post by Just Shu on Jan 14, 2018 1:09:01 GMT
@zura Here's my xtal suggestion list. These will still be helpful even if you decide to change build (except for int samu, these probably wont be helpful). And let's not forget about crit dmg  I listed the "good" stats each xtal has and their negatives, if they have any. There may be some other "little" possitive stats with it. ◇Bancho Muscle (expensive…) 10% atk crit dmg 8% if on weapon ◇Boss Colon 6% atk ◇Cerberus (You wont feel that nega when u hit lvl 300+) -10% crit rate 12% crit dmg ◇Grapagos (kinda expensive, cheaper than Mr. Oritius) Heal Reward 7% Crit dmg 14% if on weapon ◇Mr. Oritius (Kinda expensive but hey, dat atk) Atk 15% Auto Hp recov -30% MaxHP-3% ◇Muscle Tomato (Is this even out yet? xD) 10% atk ◇Oritius Atk 9% Auto HP recovery -20% ◇Warrior of light(Yea, magic resist hurts) Atk 10% Magic Resist -10% |
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Post by AnTz on Jan 14, 2018 4:08:25 GMT
As for AGI, 256 AGI gives evasion rate caps, AS LONG AS u have minimum evasion point required at that boss/mob.
For example, vs Almas u will need about 1.5k eva to dodge 80-95% of his normal atk. But, lets say even ur eva is 1.5k but ur AGI only 1, u wont achieve 80% dodge rate, only gonna achieve like 60-65% rate. This is the purpose of have minimum 256 AGI, to boost ur rate to 90-95%.
With only 256 AGI, u will need to create a dedicated green apostolia page & evasion equip sets to reach 1.2k evasion (95% dodge rate at 3i)
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 14, 2018 4:32:48 GMT
AnTz that new info for me xD. Explain why my samu with 300 agi can evade most attack. Meanwhile my ninja cant evade most enemies attack even with same evasion. Fyi, with 256 agi, porbably you will get around 600 normal evasion without any gear or xtall. 1 agi increase 1 evasion (correct me if I wrong), and 1 atk if you are samu. If you going with green line apos, you can increase your red line apos for more atk compared to str because it triple your apos bonus (based on Dragsbro test).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:14:03 GMT
For any kind samu, ultimi reup beat boo. Trust me, Agi is more important than str if you want going in Vit route. Personally, just use myrica instead for more dps. Why Agi beat str for vit samu? 1. samu increase 1 atk/agi plus extra evasion. Boo increase 1 atk/str (I think up version add more atk/str). BUT, without evasion, samurai survival is veeery low because they only relies at tsubame & zashin for defensive skill which only work against 1 hit. So if you get hitted when your tsubame buff is off, you will be easily killed. I test it before when I change my pally to samu at first time, and I cant even stand against mineneaga 2. either issen & fs is atk & crt based damage. Just focus at atk will drop your dps. Thats why ultimi still 1st dps armor choice for any class that relies at crt damage (samu, gladi, sk, even bk). 3) there are no limit cap agi for evasion, each boss has different minimum evasion to evade 80% their attack (such as almas that need 1.5k eva which means you need more than 256 agi). For me, just invest other 100 stats at red line for more attack with yellow line apos. Hi 1) When I was doing mq at below level 110, I was able to kill minenaga easily with my equipment (with 2 deaths, one is because I was afk when pet revived me xD). Back then I had 256 vit rest dex (which means no eva). When I hit 160, I had to kill minenaga again for sq. So I did and I didn't die once. I think having the right strategy helps  . I don't plan on leaving out evasion, of course, which explains the 100gr. 2) I'm looking for atk+% xtal cuz I'll put crt damage on add (raton; expensive tho x.x) and spec (noid). I read somewhere that I need to balance both, and I'm doing just that. I'm also using boo not just because of damage, but also because of its resistances (I did write "Now I know ultimi re up would give better damage, but damage isn't the only thing I'm going for here") 3) 256 agi doesn't mean you'll have 95% evasion rate. Having 256 agi means that your max evasion rate is 95%, but only if you have enough eva stats to meet that requirement. "This is the reason 1 agi builds with 1000 eva gets hit more compared to 256+ agi builds with 1000 eva" (***paraphrased statement of someone else from somewhere. I can't remember where I read it***) This is news to me red lines add more atk than gr when you have 6 yellow lines? Can you link me to a thread that's discussing this please? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:19:21 GMT
@zura Here's my xtal suggestion list. These will still be helpful even if you decide to change build (except for int samu, these probably wont be helpful). And let's not forget about crit dmg I listed the "good" stats each xtal has and their negatives, if they have any. There may be some other "little" possitive stats with it. ◇Bancho Muscle (expensive…) 10% atk crit dmg 8% if on weapon ◇Boss Colon 6% atk ◇Cerberus (You wont feel that nega when u hit lvl 300+) -10% crit rate 12% crit dmg ◇Grapagos (kinda expensive, cheaper than Mr. Oritius) Heal Reward 7% Crit dmg 14% if on weapon ◇Mr. Oritius (Kinda expensive but hey, dat atk) Atk 15% Auto Hp recov -30% MaxHP-3% ◇Muscle Tomato (Is this even out yet? xD) 10% atk ◇Oritius Atk 9% Auto HP recovery -20% ◇Warrior of light(Yea, magic resist hurts) Atk 10% Magic Resist -10% Thank you! bancho muscle looks dope, tho I would still prefer sauro ii (the prices tho x.x). I might get muscle tomato, if the price is affordable. It looks great for soloing (along with some qu abi xD). WoL would kill me lol but mr oritius' -3% hp shouldn't affect me much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:23:07 GMT
As for AGI, 256 AGI gives evasion rate caps, AS LONG AS u have minimum evasion point required at that boss/mob. For example, vs Almas u will need about 1.5k eva to dodge 80-95% of his normal atk. But, lets say even ur eva is 1.5k but ur AGI only 1, u wont achieve 80% dodge rate, only gonna achieve like 60-65% rate. This is the purpose of have minimum 256 AGI, to boost ur rate to 90-95%. With only 256 AGI, u will need to create a dedicated green apostolia page & evasion equip sets to reach 1.2k evasion (95% dodge rate at 3i) Yes, I understand this so well (I researched a lot about it last night xD). Thank you for posting this tho! Would you be able to answer my first question? (See first post) |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 14, 2018 5:26:17 GMT
At minenaga I died twice too (same with you, but I had no agi at that time). Also, not 95% evade rate but 80%. I mention ultimi because most melee based skill need atk & critical damage boost which ultimi had, but didnt want use ultimi right? That means your damage not in highest potential. Its fine if you use boo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:26:59 GMT
AnTz that new info for me xD. Explain why my samu with 300 agi can evade most attack. Meanwhile my ninja cant evade most enemies attack even with same evasion. Fyi, with 256 agi, porbably you will get around 600 normal evasion without any gear or xtall. 1 agi increase 1 evasion (correct me if I wrong), and 1 atk if you are samu. If you going with green line apos, you can increase your red line apos for more atk compared to str because it triple your apos bonus (based on Dragsbro test). Yes, that's right. Agi gives 1 eva per point. Level also gives one eva per point, so at, say, level 300 with 256 agi, I will have 556 evasion (not including guild stat bonus, class corrections and other stuff). Now add eva from gr and it'll reach a nice amount of eva (Idk how much exactly). I'll still need evasion equipment tho and definitely quick turn skill (once my pet reaches level 50 x.x). |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 14, 2018 5:29:54 GMT
@zura for little tips, probably you will need gear/al with absolute & magic evasion for more survival. You will need it to fight magic type boss such as minela human (seriously, battle against her is very annoying as underlevel samu -.-).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:40:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:41:29 GMT
@zura for little tips, probably you will need gear/al with absolute & magic evasion for more survival. You will need it to fight magic type boss such as minela human (seriously, battle against her is very annoying as underlevel samu -.-). How much absolute/magic eva do I need? |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 14, 2018 5:46:14 GMT
@zura I think somone in forum post that max dodge rate is 80% long time ago, but Idk if it got update or not. But yea, for sin I think dodge rate cap is 95% because I saw sin can evade all pauk attack. Meanwhile my ench still got some hit.
To be save maybe around 20% and I think 100 green line maybe give around 5%-10% magic evasion, so just add shelk for more survival.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 5:49:15 GMT
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I created my special sword samurai 2 days ago and I'd like to ask about the build I'm trying to polish and finalize. First, I'll show my stats and equipment.
. I don't plan on leaving out evasion, of course, which explains the 100gr.
I'll try to get shelk when I can