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Post by friedchoco on Sept 27, 2017 6:52:11 GMT
I was thinking to get counter set. Since my build is dex/vit/int.. I just wanna know, does the magic counter damage based on matk% or based on damage taken? Im thinking to be tank mins too if its a good idea.
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Post by NightBreeze on Sept 27, 2017 8:35:25 GMT
Magic counters DMG is based on your matk.
If you want to do DMG based on what DMG you take, you need things with reflect+%.
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♪Sumire
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Post by ♪Sumire on Sept 27, 2017 8:59:33 GMT
its hard to play with reflect set since u need to take high dmg for the reflect to be able to do anydecent dmg -- not sure on magic counter minstrel since unless u get a resist set ull be dying very often since u need to cast songs as well which will shave ur hp away specially if ur a high hp type
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Post by Capicuo on Sept 27, 2017 11:42:53 GMT
Magic counters are based on your matk. Physical counters are based on the dmg you take as well as reflect. Negate dmg counters are based on ur Lv.
If u intend to use magic counter set for minstrel make sure u have Vampiric blow pet skill or crysta skill to get healed often. U can have full counter set and then just switch to Vampiric blow set (high atk) just for healing purposes.
U can use: Freesia Rod II frederico. Dark Priest Robe ReUp Sofys Witch Eye Patch Up Pole Coral Hairpin ns ir with mezzaluna/agira if ur budget allow u.
And for Vampiric Blow go for: Uroboros Plazuda Dmail ReUp Magonza Arelta Up/Monty Beret Up Vida Any spec slot Ganei/WoL
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Sept 27, 2017 15:34:26 GMT
Hello, I'll come with demerits first : DemeritsI'm a Minstrel Tank and I use AGI CRT STR VIT (+ Messed up INT). Playing as a tank Minstrel is REALLY REALLY HARD! Unless you're very good at it. Like ♪Sumire said, You need to make your HP to the fullest. Taking damage and Rebuffing... That'll be a lot bad if you have no Bishop. Then, comes to, how you're gonna keep up your HP? You have pretty high HP because of ur VIT. It will be a lot harder for a Bish to keep you healed. Third, If you're solo.... You'll need a Heal reward set. It'll be a bit harder to be a Tank if you don't complete a -9 second skill delay set. Then you'll need a Powerful set. Fourth, Tanking isn't just counters! It is also keeping urself alive while taking all hits. Merits/How to cope with it1. Keep your HP to full. Idk how, get a Bishop, get Jade Ricus, get a Heal reward set etc etc etc. 2. Mix up your counter set with damage reduction set. 3. Get a -9 sec buffing tool with A GOOD AMOUNT OF HATE +%. So you don't need to rebuff all the time 4. Addition to No.1 & 2. Just try to receive as less damage as possible. You'll need a Bishop to heal you anyway... If I'm wrong. Please correct me. It'll be a pleasure for me to learn new things about this kind of Minstrel
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 18:13:53 GMT
I don't recommend playing as tanking minstrel as you need high hp and decent healing. However it is always an option to try something different despite the risk of failure. Do some research especially from servant and bishop section if you want to play minstrel in a different light.
Now for your counter set I would suggest the following equip (tho everything is just my assumption and ingame it might fail)
Queen of The Night(QOTN)/Freesia Caim II HeinRich Mail re up Miselatis up Any decent counter spec(slot is a bonus)/Cursed Bangle S
Veltria is a must in this build and you got another 2 slot (3 if spec slot) to put counter xtal.
Queen of the Night(QOTN) and Heinrich Re up give you only up to 28% ATK.MATK
Heinrich and Miselatis up give at least 2500 heal reward.
Cursed Bangle slot will switch you HP.MP. if slot you can further add MATK% crysta
The strategy is for you to play heal and wait for the counter to do the work l damaging enemy
Song that you may utilize wisdom for more matk. Dream for 1mp cost and skill delay. Life for more HP and heal reward.Joy & sorrow for item delay and reqen for QOTN
AL line that you may use 6 purple 2 red. for more autoskills%
Abilities that you may invest autoskills
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Post by MagicChi on Sept 28, 2017 1:13:41 GMT
This could actually work... However, thinking this could be a good, potential build for Minstrel. Although Minstrel doesn't have much utility to keep their health full.
Equipment might be a huge problem here. There are plenty of alternatives to stay alive. - Jade Ricus / A Queen of the Night for one. (But doesn't have any magic counter whatsoever). - Heal Reward Set (But not enough matk and you would have to buff with not enough delay, quick cool abilities can be used but lower down magic damage) - Pot Spamming. (This way could be possible with enough item delay in your character's build. But very tedious to keep farming pots for Minstrel even solo farming pots as Minstrel).
Overall there's a high chance this build will fail due to a number of roadblocks you'll face. But then Pwn also tried this out. It wasn't very effective for solo use. Tanky Minstrel doesn't have to need VIT all the time since we have usage of Iniliba but then again you need other boss xtals to get your satisfied damage to solo or soloing farming / grinding with this build will take forever.
I suggest putting this build aside for now. Good idea but we don't have the ideal equipment for this build for Minstrel quite yet.
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Oct 10, 2017 0:09:15 GMT
i dun get it qwq why IVD(beta build for mins) still alive till now?
is this an old mins that just got back in the game after years of hiatus?
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Oct 15, 2017 16:07:12 GMT
i dun get it qwq why IVD(beta build for mins) still alive till now? is this an old mins that just got back in the game after years of hiatus? Or he can also be like changing from Bishop/HW/Servant/Necro to Minstrel o.o Seen many people doing that (Especially they get attracted to these cool, colorful, shiny, animationed song buffs xD)
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Oct 17, 2017 8:37:49 GMT
i dun get it qwq why IVD(beta build for mins) still alive till now? is this an old mins that just got back in the game after years of hiatus? Or he can also be like changing from Bishop/HW/Servant/Necro to Minstrel o.o Seen many people doing that (Especially they get attracted to these cool, colorful, shiny, animationed song buffs xD) hmm since atlest u can buff for pt you're doin your job \o.o/ yay cheers for ninjas _________ uhmmm how bout change to auto skill(magic atk) idk i preffer that on ur build than magic counter xD but it up to u only cons is not good for boss that has slow atk n high dmg
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 1, 2017 13:02:30 GMT
Or he can also be like changing from Bishop/HW/Servant/Necro to Minstrel o.o Seen many people doing that (Especially they get attracted to these cool, colorful, shiny, animationed song buffs xD) hmm since atlest u can buff for pt you're doin your job \o.o/ yay cheers for ninjas _________ uhmmm how bout change to auto skill(magic atk) idk i preffer that on ur build than magic counter xD but it up to u only cons is not good for boss that has slow atk n high dmg i agree magic atk would be better. Cuz i am told each song takes about 10% hp unless you trade any counter armor with Struggler vel(or aid) and use life and joy while spaming heal assuming you can still relax spaming your own skills to keep you buffed (Life,Wise,joy,sand,) Just my input i could be completely wrong tho
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Nov 1, 2017 15:09:04 GMT
hmm since atlest u can buff for pt you're doin your job \o.o/ yay cheers for ninjas _________ uhmmm how bout change to auto skill(magic atk) idk i preffer that on ur build than magic counter xD but it up to u only cons is not good for boss that has slow atk n high dmg i agree magic atk would be better. Cuz i am told each song takes about 10% hp unless you trade any counter armor with Struggler vel(or aid) and use life and joy while spaming heal assuming you can still relax spaming your own skills to keep you buffed (Life,Wise,joy,sand,) Just my input i could be completely wrong tho veltria is always on miselatis/heinrich mail/Leather Coat (or u heal low+int calculation)
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 1, 2017 15:19:47 GMT
i agree magic atk would be better. Cuz i am told each song takes about 10% hp unless you trade any counter armor with Struggler vel(or aid) and use life and joy while spaming heal assuming you can still relax spaming your own skills to keep you buffed (Life,Wise,joy,sand,) Just my input i could be completely wrong tho veltria is always on miselatis/heinrich mail/Leather Coat (or u heal low+int calculation) you can still use mise i was just trying to make a balance cuz u need high/6k+ matk for good counter dmg(based on ice) and need matk for the heal calculation but if u use another gear it would lower / give less options on gear with counter this make any sense? Or am i just crazzy
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Nov 2, 2017 14:50:32 GMT
auto magic atk now counter arrrrg im out xD jkjk
I really dont know about anything in magic class so nah it still on whats good for ur game play
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Post by ♪Sumire on Nov 2, 2017 17:16:05 GMT
gonna point out the "heal on matk something)
matk doesn't boost heal (only Bish got that boost) int raises ur veltrias heal and the heal reward from miselatis/leather coat will also increase ur self heal
if u want to balance matk and heal , go for Heinrich reup it has 1k heal reward and 14% matk as well bonus stats ..might also consider adding an iniliba to it to increase ur survival ( just on armor though -- iniliba won't cancel hmails dmg reduction at less 25% hp)
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