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Post by Mieu~ on Jul 8, 2017 15:30:25 GMT
So I recently just acquired my delay set (phew! took awhile) and I've seen a lot of people looking for bishops. I want to join their farm but idk what to do/how to support them. I know its a nub question but considering my first class wasnt really bishop so idk.
Okayyy... How do I support? Like what do i do? do I cast all the buffs? Do I spam resu? I'm so confused on what to do. I dont wanna learn on the spot and be trashtalked x.x (ill probably get more trashtalks bcuz I made this thread x.x)
I hate myself for being so nub qwq
Thanks in advance ^^
ADDITIONAL: Who do i spam resu on? the tank or the dps? or if there are 2 dps on who shall i spam resu? im too confused x.x
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Post by missco on Jul 8, 2017 16:29:03 GMT
So I recently just acquired my delay set (phew! took awhile) and I've seen a lot of people looking for bishops. I want to join their farm but idk what to do/how to support them. I know its a nub question but considering my first class wasnt really bishop so idk. Okayyy... How do I support? Like what do i do? do I cast all the buffs? Do I spam resu? I'm so confused on what to do. I dont wanna learn on the spot and be trashtalked x.x (ill probably get more trashtalks bcuz I made this thread x.x) I hate myself for being so nub qwq Thanks in advance ^^ ADDITIONAL: Who do i spam resu on? the tank or the dps? or if there are 2 dps on who shall i spam resu? im too confused x.x First off all: You MUST know the boss you are fighting against. Always ask yourself: What are these boss patterns? What are the debuffs? Do it AoE? 2: You will have to keep all alies buffed between kills, but is very difficult to make people wait for you, so you will have to buff on the boss sometimes. 3: Switch between resu spam and heal to reduce your mana cost, but only if you are sure people will survive each hit. 4: Keep in mind that some bosses have special abilities: Insta kill, Aoe debuff, MP or/and Hp deplete and others. 5: Keep yourself alive: If you die party will probably be defeated. I always find healers that forget about themselves and end dead and with party dead too. 6: Resu spam must be on survability order, from the lower to the highest: You won't spam resu on a Paladin (Even with the suiciders ones *cought* Oath spammers *cough*) while a Sniper keep dying. Your obective is to keep the weak ones alive while keeping eyes on the Tank and on yourself. Well,thats it! I guess... But remember: Pratice lends to perfection!
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Post by Mieu~ on Jul 8, 2017 17:16:35 GMT
So I recently just acquired my delay set (phew! took awhile) and I've seen a lot of people looking for bishops. I want to join their farm but idk what to do/how to support them. I know its a nub question but considering my first class wasnt really bishop so idk. Okayyy... How do I support? Like what do i do? do I cast all the buffs? Do I spam resu? I'm so confused on what to do. I dont wanna learn on the spot and be trashtalked x.x (ill probably get more trashtalks bcuz I made this thread x.x) I hate myself for being so nub qwq Thanks in advance ^^ ADDITIONAL: Who do i spam resu on? the tank or the dps? or if there are 2 dps on who shall i spam resu? im too confused x.x First off all: You MUST know the boss you are fighting against. Always ask yourself: What are these boss patterns? What are the debuffs? Do it AoE? 2: You will have to keep all alies buffed between kills, but is very difficult to make people wait for you, so you will have to buff on the boss sometimes. 3: Switch between resu spam and heal to reduce your mana cost, but only if you are sure people will survive each hit. 4: Keep in mind that some bosses have special abilities: Insta kill, Aoe debuff, MP or/and Hp deplete and others. 5: Keep yourself alive: If you die party will probably be defeated. I always find healers that forget about themselves and end dead and with party dead too. 6: Resu spam must be on survability order, from the lower to the highest: You won't spam resu on a Paladin (Even with the suiciders ones *cought* Oath spammers *cough*) while a Sniper keep dying. Your obective is to keep the weak ones alive while keeping eyes on the Tank and on yourself. Well,thats it! I guess... But remember: Pratice lends to perfection! Ugh! Supporting seems to be so hardddddd x.x Idk about the boss ailments cuz I played my mqs mostly solo and some bosses deal diff ailments in pt and in solo... Anyway... thanks a lot ^^ I'll keep all those in mind . (maybe I should do minor boss farms first to practice)
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Post by missco on Jul 8, 2017 19:43:04 GMT
First off all: You MUST know the boss you are fighting against. Always ask yourself: What are these boss patterns? What are the debuffs? Do it AoE? 2: You will have to keep all alies buffed between kills, but is very difficult to make people wait for you, so you will have to buff on the boss sometimes. 3: Switch between resu spam and heal to reduce your mana cost, but only if you are sure people will survive each hit. 4: Keep in mind that some bosses have special abilities: Insta kill, Aoe debuff, MP or/and Hp deplete and others. 5: Keep yourself alive: If you die party will probably be defeated. I always find healers that forget about themselves and end dead and with party dead too. 6: Resu spam must be on survability order, from the lower to the highest: You won't spam resu on a Paladin (Even with the suiciders ones *cought* Oath spammers *cough*) while a Sniper keep dying. Your obective is to keep the weak ones alive while keeping eyes on the Tank and on yourself. Well,thats it! I guess... But remember: Pratice lends to perfection! Ugh! Supporting seems to be so hardddddd x.x Idk about the boss ailments cuz I played my mqs mostly solo and some bosses deal diff ailments in pt and in solo... Anyway... thanks a lot ^^ I'll keep all those in mind . (maybe I should do minor boss farms first to practice) At the start it can be hard, but soon you'll get the trick ^^. Always get your first runs as a warming, and then you'll be tapping like a pro xD GoodLuck!
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Post by EP Opheia on Jul 8, 2017 20:49:59 GMT
First off all: You MUST know the boss you are fighting against. Always ask yourself: What are these boss patterns? What are the debuffs? Do it AoE? 2: You will have to keep all alies buffed between kills, but is very difficult to make people wait for you, so you will have to buff on the boss sometimes. 3: Switch between resu spam and heal to reduce your mana cost, but only if you are sure people will survive each hit. 4: Keep in mind that some bosses have special abilities: Insta kill, Aoe debuff, MP or/and Hp deplete and others. 5: Keep yourself alive: If you die party will probably be defeated. I always find healers that forget about themselves and end dead and with party dead too. 6: Resu spam must be on survability order, from the lower to the highest: You won't spam resu on a Paladin (Even with the suiciders ones *cought* Oath spammers *cough*) while a Sniper keep dying. Your obective is to keep the weak ones alive while keeping eyes on the Tank and on yourself. Well,thats it! I guess... But remember: Pratice lends to perfection! 1. I agree, otherwise you can wing it sometimes 2. If it's a fast farm you can use Risparmio, Priere and Divine Bless on the spot, and then use the other buffs inside since you can use them at a farther distance. 3. I agree, but also depends on the class/build/play style of course. I usually just farm with friends so I know their play styles, and etc. With randoms, you start to know and get adjusted to the party after a few runs. I usually don't have a problem with MP even when spamming resu. Just bring MP pots as a backup, and you'll be fine. 4. Yes, but that's what makes the boss farm fun. 5. I agree that bishops do forget about themselves, or you have some that simply don't care. I'm the latter because (not to sound arrogant) I know I won't die. I'm not sure about other bishops, but once you play one for a while you start to know your limits. Even boss patterns are starting to become similar so just come prepared. For example, say a boss did an MP delete.. I'm not worried because I have MP pots, and also Spinnen Energy Drink (Recovers 50% MP if reduced to 0). Debuff? Cast Quick right away with Delay Set, and rebuff. I usually just keep my delay set on, cast Quick, and then Resu on myself first depending on the boss. 6. Basically just keep an eye on HP and buffs
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Post by missco on Jul 8, 2017 21:21:34 GMT
First off all: You MUST know the boss you are fighting against. Always ask yourself: What are these boss patterns? What are the debuffs? Do it AoE? 2: You will have to keep all alies buffed between kills, but is very difficult to make people wait for you, so you will have to buff on the boss sometimes. 3: Switch between resu spam and heal to reduce your mana cost, but only if you are sure people will survive each hit. 4: Keep in mind that some bosses have special abilities: Insta kill, Aoe debuff, MP or/and Hp deplete and others. 5: Keep yourself alive: If you die party will probably be defeated. I always find healers that forget about themselves and end dead and with party dead too. 6: Resu spam must be on survability order, from the lower to the highest: You won't spam resu on a Paladin (Even with the suiciders ones *cought* Oath spammers *cough*) while a Sniper keep dying. Your obective is to keep the weak ones alive while keeping eyes on the Tank and on yourself. Well,thats it! I guess... But remember: Pratice lends to perfection! 1. I agree, otherwise you can wing it sometimes 2. If it's a fast farm you can use Risparmio, Priere and Divine Bless on the spot, and then use the other buffs inside since you can use them at a farther distance. 3. I agree, but also depends on the class/build/play style of course. I usually just farm with friends so I know their play styles, and etc. With randoms, you start to know and get adjusted to the party after a few runs. I usually don't have a problem with MP even when spamming resu. Just bring MP pots as a backup, and you'll be fine. 4. Yes, but that's what makes the boss farm fun. 5. I agree that bishops do forget about themselves, or you have some that simply don't care. I'm the latter because (not to sound arrogant) I know I won't die. I'm not sure about other bishops, but once you play one for a while you start to know your limits. Even boss patterns are starting to become similar so just come prepared. For example, say a boss did an MP delete.. I'm not worried because I have MP pots, and also Spinnen Energy Drink (Recovers 50% MP if reduced to 0). Debuff? Cast Quick right away with Delay Set, and rebuff. I usually just keep my delay set on, cast Quick, and then Resu on myself first depending on the boss. 6. Basically just keep an eye on HP and buffs And this is a pro opinion xD! thanks for the info addition Opheia ^^; Had a bishop but long time ago, but then I liked servant more q.q Well it's good to know i didn't said anything wrong haha
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jul 9, 2017 0:03:11 GMT
Press every skill you have and repeat until youre done so that the other classes can spam 1 button peacefully.
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Post by AnTz on Jul 9, 2017 2:11:28 GMT
Believe it or not, support is hardest job in iruna. While other classes' job is mostly spam only 1 skill, support must use many (if not all) buffs n skills, n must always ready for any pt members who need help (dying)
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EP Opheia
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Post by EP Opheia on Jul 9, 2017 2:26:35 GMT
Believe it or not, support is hardest job in iruna. While other classes' job is mostly spam only 1 skill, support must use many (if not all) buffs n skills, n must always ready for any pt members who need help (dying) Hardest, but imo the most enjoyable. Spamming 1 skill gets boring.
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Post by Mieu~ on Jul 9, 2017 4:51:31 GMT
o.o Never thought supporting could be so complicated... Thanks for all of ur advices, I'll be sure to keep evrything in mind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 12:22:47 GMT
o.o Never thought supporting could be so complicated... Thanks for all of ur advices, I'll be sure to keep evrything in mind The most important things Imo are:
1. Bravery 2. Dedication 3. Practice 4. Timing 5. MP
XD jk jk wish you the best
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Post by Mieu~ on Jul 9, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
o.o Never thought supporting could be so complicated... Thanks for all of ur advices, I'll be sure to keep evrything in mind The most important things Imo are:
1. Bravery 2. Dedication 3. Practice 4. Timing 5. MP
XD jk jk wish you the best haha thanks, I guess I already got the hang of it (i think...) I join a pt farming wyn and luckily they didnt bashed me for being so noob (or so i guess, cuz they speak an alien language xD).
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Post by Famine on Jul 10, 2017 18:10:56 GMT
Welcome to the most wonderful experience of Iruna in my opinion. Being a healer seems like a very overwhelming experience at first, but it becomes almost second nature. What you need to do is like others have mentioned, learn patterns of boss, what you will do largely depends on this. I highly recommend, if you do not already have this, an mp cost 1 delay set, it makes your life a dream, and carry around mp pots, even the cheapest of pots will do when your resu set also has mp cost 1. Now on to strategies, you want to get as many buffs as you can in while in between battles. Essentially what you do is cast resu on everyone, pay close attention to hp bars, if someones hp bar goes to the exact % of your skill you know they probably need a new resu, Don't just mindlessly resu, unless you can learn how to abuse aggroless heal, and your party is knowledgeable enough to make it work. But still you will have most success if you learn how to mix in heal with resu spam, I can not suggest mindless resu spam unless you are in a party with an SK ninja and that is it, pretty much only time you will just spam resu. You need a party which understands aggroless already for the most efficient grind. To get into aggroless heal position, you need to run as reasonably far as you can(You'll learn the distance soon) then click a skill, click the name box of the pally, let yourself autorun to max distance before your spell casts, this is the position you will now stand in, you need to re adjust if pally moves position, or if the pally wipes and he starts chasing the dps, Always try to maintain aggroless position. That is the positioning you want for aggroless. Even with this trick you want to resu only when needed, and use heal to fill hp bars in between necessary resu's. If no debuffs, just keep resus up, heal when it is needed. Quite simple really. If a boss debuffs, you need to again base this on the boss. If there is no ranged attack and you have no chance of taking damage, resu tank, resu dps, resu wiz, resu yourself, aegis, heal tank, heal dps, heal wiz, heal yourself if needed, when fine with the situation, apply other buffs, regular bless since it can max range, limit break, etc. If there is a deadly ranged aoe or map attk, resu tank, res yourself, res dps, res wiz, then repeat^^^ aegis, heal tank, heal dps, heal wiz, heal yourself if needed when fine with the situation, apply other buffs, regular bless since it can max range, limit break, etc. If theres an mp debuff, you need to pay extra attention to the wiz and they may require a second resu quickly mixed in to anywhere in this order. If you use a non traditional tank like say a geo monk, they may need quick before they are able to spam per second again, in this case, resu monk, resu yourself(Again depending on map or aoe attack, if none, skip this part and get back to healing your party1 second faster), quick, resu monk just in case then go back to the normal order above. It really is a boss by boss thing, and just learning and memorizing their patterns is all it really takes. A complete buff wipe is usually accompanied by a subtle flash, pay very close to attention to these and make sure everyone is resu'd, aegis'd and heal'd in a timely manner. Lets say you want to go to Sauro 350, this battle is very different because you get sucked in towards him, this is where learning to not just mindlessly resu pays off. Apply resu only when needed, heal only when needed, with enough practice, when the suction stops, you can run out and perform aggroless again, and you never pulled aggro during the crazy part. Bishop is very boss by boss, party composition by party composition, but as long as everyone works together, you can all pull through! A few things left I want to say, Sanctuary is wayyyy more important than most people seem to think it is. Aegis stops a ton of damage towards most bosses, anyone who has a magic attack, this spell is something you always want up, especially if a boss debuffs aegis towards negatives. Resu is a who is a"who is most likely to be killed next second" kind of spell. Heal is a "ok I have control of this situation" spell. All others bonuses are "wow this is easy, I have tons of time" kinda spells. And again, aegis is an "ok I want ya'll to take 50% less magical dmg from this skill", kinda spell, I put this ahead of heal after resus because it means people are usually taking a lot less damage and heal goes further. Aggroless vs aggro heal video
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Post by Mieu~ on Jul 10, 2017 19:25:16 GMT
Welcome to the most wonderful experience of Iruna in my opinion. Being a healer see9ms like a very overwhelming experience at first, but it becomes almost second nature. What you need to do is like others have mentioned, learn patterns of boss, what you will do largely depends on this. I highly recommend, if you do not already have this, an mp cost 1 delay set, it makes your life a dream, and carry around mp pots, even the cheapest of pots will do when your resu set also has mp cost 1. Now on to strategies, you want to get as many buffs as you can in while in between battles. Essentially what you do is cast resu on everyone, pay close attention to hp bars, if someones hp bar goes to the exact % of your skill you know they probably need a new resu, Don't just mindlessly resu, unless you can learn how to abuse aggroless heal, and your party is knowledgeable enough to make it work. But still you will have most success if you learn how to mix in heal with resu spam, I can not suggest mindless resu spam unless you are in a party with an SK ninja and that is it, pretty much only time you will just spam resu. You need a party which understands aggroless already for the most efficient grind. To get into aggroless heal position, you need to run as reasonably far as you can(You'll learn the distance soon) then click a skill, click the name box of the pally, let yourself autorun to max distance before your spell casts, this is the position you will now stand in, you need to re adjust if pally moves position, or if the pally wipes and he starts chasing the dps, Always try to maintain aggroless position. That is the positioning you want for aggroless. Even with this trick you want to resu only when needed, and use heal to fill hp bars in between necessary resu's. If no debuffs, just keep resus up, heal when it is needed. Quite simple really. If a boss debuffs, you need to again base this on the boss. If there is no ranged attack and you have no chance of taking damage, resu tank, resu dps, resu wiz, resu yourself, aegis, heal tank, heal dps, heal wiz, heal yourself if needed, when fine with the situation, apply other buffs, regular bless since it can max range, limit break, etc. If there is a deadly ranged aoe or map attk, resu tank, res yourself, res dps, res wiz, then repeat^^^ aegis, heal tank, heal dps, heal wiz, heal yourself if needed when fine with the situation, apply other buffs, regular bless since it can max range, limit break, etc. If theres an mp debuff, you need to pay extra attention to the wiz and they may require a second resu quickly mixed in to anywhere in this order. If you use a non traditional tank like say a geo monk, they may need quick before they are able to spam per second again, in this case, resu monk, resu yourself(Again depending on map or aoe attack, if none, skip this part and get back to healing your party1 second faster), quick, resu monk just in case then go back to the normal order above. It really is a boss by boss thing, and just learning and memorizing their patterns is all it really takes. A complete buff wipe is usually accompanied by a subtle flash, pay very close to attention to these and make sure everyone is resu'd, aegis'd and heal'd in a timely manner. Lets say you want to go to Sauro 350, this battle is very different because you get sucked in towards him, this is where learning to not just mindlessly resu pays off. Apply resu only when needed, heal only when needed, with enough practice, when the suction stops, you can run out and perform aggroless again, and you never pulled aggro during the crazy part. Bishop is very boss by boss, party composition by party composition, but as long as everyone works together, you can all pull through! A few things left I want to say, Sanctuary is wayyyy more important than most people seem to think it is. Aegis stops a ton of damage towards most bosses, anyone who has a magic attack, this spell is something you always want up, especially if a boss debuffs aegis towards negatives. Resu is a who is a"who is most likely to be killed next second" kind of spell. Heal is a "ok I have control of this situation" spell. All others bonuses are "wow this is easy, I have tons of time" kinda spells. And again, aegis is an "ok I want ya'll to take 50% less magical dmg from this skill", kinda spell, I put this ahead of heal after resus because it means people are usually taking a lot less damage and heal goes further. Aggroless vs aggro heal video First of all, thanks a lot for the advice ^^,I've never encountered a pt farm composed of a tank,dps,and etc. Mostly its just 2 hws,a mins and bish, they can mostly kill the boss in a few seconds. (they dont even need heal in the pt area cuz the moment I entered, Im out again xD) Second, do u mean by regular bless is the normal one? not divine bless? Third, about the video, do u mean to say that the farther your distance from the boss the lesser aggro you'll collect? All in all, thanks for the advice, it'll really help a lot along the way
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 20:28:58 GMT
Mieu~ I think I can answer you
Divine Bless can only be cast on yourself, then other party members near you get it as well. If you do not want to get aggro after a debuff, use a regular Bless from the farthest distance you can cast it from.
That distance is what Famine called the aggroless position. You're so far from the boss that its aggro radar doesn't reach you, so you don't get aggro at all *^*
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