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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 22, 2017 5:50:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 7:06:31 GMT
Done~with~forums first of all, I would like to say your post made me crazy not because of the content, but because of the lack of organization. Please separate them into paragraphs/more sentences qwq
*ehem* Anyway, interesting idea ouo. I had a friend once with the same exact build and he calls it the "Weiss Build" because of the Weiss armor which raises all stats. However, this will have its drawbacks:
1. AGI would probably get in the way of spamming skills, unless you paralyze yourself constantly with Frozen Nuts/Paralyze Dango, this would be a bad stat to invest in. Turning a skill spammer into a super saiyan will also get in their way, and not even Frozen Nuts can help everyone.
2. Distributing stats everywhere means that you won't get high of anything, not MATK, ATK, critical damage, survival rate, etc. Since most classes focus on just 3-4 stats, if you invest in 6, by logic that'd mean you're only getting half of your potential.
3. There'll be peeps you can't turn into Goku with the Weiss Build such as SK ninjas that use Spin Shield (critical damage down by STR), Special Bow users (ATK down by VIT & INT), Special Sword users (ATK down by CRT), skill spammers (as explained on number 1), etc.
4. This will need a lot of stat points. This might be hard to manage in the lower levels.
Then again, I don't have a Servant XD (planning to make one though). If I were to build a Servant according to what info you gave, I would do INT DEX CRT VIT.
INT affects a lot of skills and increases MATK and ATK (depends on weapon). DEX affects delay (depends on skill), CSPD (if applicable) and ATK (depends on weapon). CRT increases your physical damage (if you have physical skills that crit). VIT for survival and MATK (with Struggler and the like).
If you would like to auto attack, you could reach max ASPD with a certain set and a few points on AGI.
Dunno if I helped, but get crazy dude ouo
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 22, 2017 7:12:28 GMT
Every thing you said i know and didnt add yet cuz i just wanted to know if my fellow servants liked it and wanted to know more i have a plan im not a total nut job and hi btw ik u from a log time ago @ewpeople Weiss is not part of my plan at all and as far as this goes its a more non named build:P
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 7:23:46 GMT
Done~with~forums how do you know me o.o?
I assumed you were Crazy Dave (PvZ ref) XD. I'll look forward to that plan ouo uncommon builds excite me
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Post by rahovart on Jun 22, 2017 8:45:21 GMT
Idk man it's interesting but I'm not sure thatd be that viable. Ewpeople kinda hit all the things that would be a problem with it. You'd be spread too thin so nothing would be all that good especially considering for some reason servants have a lower matk stat compared to other magic classes, also connecting to someone if you had all stats would probably cause more harm than good.
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Post by Pixie on Jun 22, 2017 9:30:13 GMT
Connection is pretty much pointless.. most classes have the stats they really need at higher levels added to that, you really are limted help wise dependant on your stats no matter what you choose you can never please all classes. Think this skill is to help lower lvl players and of course ppl who make alts who want to complete their characters specific stat set(for example a hwiz who wants to increase assualt buff time but dont want to add str or sk ninja who want eva but dont want to add agi)
Honestly with the new skills announced i think it will be good to mix more than 3 skills since this is a hybrid class. The stats mainly would be int, dex, vit, agi, crt (obvi you would not put any points into al lines) Why Int Dex Crt? (use magic swords with myrica dragonmail 3 for mp resistance and counter, and your auto attack will do decent physical dmg) Why use this? Servant have a sword just for them from production it boost neutral magic dmg. Alternatively u could also use Dia espada and ciel 3. Think the aoe is to draw in the mobs so u can use the autoskill buff to atk 3 at once. Adding myrica will incrase tankiness during boss fights or hard hitting mobs.
Why int dex agi? (magic wand with magic amp for support/dmg dmail exe4 ultimi). Why use this and not tellas/universe/struggler? This will balance support and dmg since i believe the best servants can offer (tea party buffs and autoskill buff) has yet to be implimented. Magic rods increase their physical damage +3 for all int u can use monty beret for -sd and dmg up by dex. Dragonmail might also be a good choice since it also have atk and matk% but i dont know if sd is needed for the new matk. Why use rod at all? Servant have skill that increase the number of pt buffs that can be placed at once by using a rod.
Why vit? purely ace in the hole in the event u get hit u dont crumble like paper people. Maybe use struggler sometimes also for the magic peirce, matk, magic r%.
The class need to focus on balance between matk and atk yes it maybe 5 stats but how you distribute those stats early on in the game will drastically change your gameplay experiance. Some people think that only maxing 3 stats equals higher dmg must be better but it depend on play style. If your more of a solo player who likes to pt occasionally you have to think outside the box, I've seen a hwiz with 5 stats able to solo many bosses with ease. Yea there was a loss in power but they gained a good defensive bonus by considering their skill buffs i.e imperials defense buff which raise eva, def, mdef. In the case of servant, we will have buffs to increase said matk and atk either for ourselves, or for pt members. Also take into consideration highness bless recovery, light sheild, and now we can blind mobs furthr increase chance to avoid attacks. The role a servant plays in a pt is a healer/buffer with additional damage. If a character is lacking in stats u can sacrifice your power to lend your stats to said character, that is the purpose of connection. Its okay to be crazy ^=^
This hwiz build can be found here:
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Post by dontmindme on Jun 22, 2017 10:03:32 GMT
The post was very difficult to read so if I miss some points that you pointed out I'm sorry >.<
Your build is a jack-of-all trades, master of none. Designed to do mixed damage and tank a lot of things. Your idea isn't as nice as it is in your head actually.
Reasons: 1. You said something about using throwing weapons. Throwing weapons only get atk from int, dex and str. This means you'll be dealing VERY low damage unless all of these stats are maxed, overcapped or close to max. 2. Tanky? A regular servant with max int & vit struggles with tanking bosses. Agi WOULD have been good to evade some of the boss attacks but my nub agi ninja with overcapped agi + ghost ring can't dodge much at all. My samurai with max agi gets hit almost all the time. BUT since you are a 6 stat build, you won't have full agi, vit or int. 3. Soul-connecting. If you read my number 2 reason, you know that being a tank requires a lot of investment. Now try tanking while you just gave your pt member half of your stats. Also like EwPeople said, it could hurt other classes more than it can help. 4. Spamming, maxing agi immediately means that your basic attack will get in the way of casting skills. This can be fixed with gear lowering attack speed and enough skill delay to spam. OH WAIT! I forgot you just gave your already low dex stat to your pt member :v 5. Your role in the party is what? Average in tankiness, damage and spamming. A paladin is better in tankiness and damage than a servant with these stats. A bishop brings all of these to a party and they do it much better than a servant with this build.
Your idea is crazy on so many levels, I feel like I need to lay down a stat distribution 101 without special stats to get my point through.
MOST builds have a utility stat, damage stat and a survival stat. (not all) UTILITY STATS - They let you actually land your attacks and finish casting your spells. (DEX, CRT) DAMAGE STATS - They give you the highest attack and matk in your build. (INT, STR) SURVIVAL STATS - They let your survive hits (VIT, INT, AGI)
THE THREE TYPES OF STATS ARE NOT ABSOLUTE. -Any stat can be a damage stat based on your weapon -You can have two or more of any of the three types of stats
ex. INT>DEX>VIT - Int is a damage stat for magic type weapons, Dex is a utility stat for casting spells but also adds matk and atk and Vit is a survival stat that also adds damage up to struggler. ^^This build takes full advantage of rods and throwing weapons and disregards other unnecessary stats since others will sacrifice the stats you already have and might be pointless like agi, which fights against spamming.
Can you guys think of a viable build that breaks my stat distribution formula? This is only for three stat no special. No line boosts and four stats included.
NOW BACK TO THIS BUILD THAT DISGUSTS ME! AT LEVEL 260 YOU WOULD HAVE AROUND 700-800 STAT POINTS. YOU CAN ONLY MAX 3 STATS WITH THAT! AT LEVEL 350 WITH MAX APOS STUFF (I ran it through calculator quickly so correct me if i'm wrong) you get a grand total of 1,400+ stat points. that's enough to max 5 stats and barely add points to a sixth stat. For a build that can barely support the class it's in I'd say you should stop this crazy idea and make a real build. I'm all for strange and innovative builds but this kind of build is the reason stefly's book exists.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 22, 2017 13:10:36 GMT
IMO the only things connection really helps with are MP from INT and HP from VIT. Outside of that, if classes want more of that stat, they already have it and you can't help them. Otherwise same as all other points lol.
I do want to add that I'm almost 100% sure that Connect will not take negative stats from equips(ATK down by STR...ATK down by VIT, ETC) or even negatively affect Special weapon users. From my understanding all stats from skills and equips are only calculated like they are giving stats to the original weapons. Basically the only types of equipment that exist according to skills and equip stats are Regular Sword, Regular Bow, Regular Staff, Regular Claw, and Regular Throwing. All Special/Magic variants don't make a difference when it comes to skill stats.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 13:56:43 GMT
ManaKhe looks like I'll have to test this *^* I didn't think of that ouo
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 22, 2017 14:07:17 GMT
ManaKhe looks like I'll have to test this *^* I didn't think of that ouo I can't say I'm 100% sure about the "ATK down from STR" type stats on equipment. I do know for sure Special/Magic weapons do work that way though. Found that out when Special Bow released and I had a hunter haha. Hawkeye(increases DEX) increased my ATK but Evasion(increases AGI) did not despite using Special Bow. Same as true for Samurai and Special Sword. The CRT they get from their skill doesn't affect ATK, only reason why Special Sword Samurai is even a thing haha.
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Post by rahovart on Jun 23, 2017 21:54:35 GMT
Btw connection is not pointless. Alot of the time I connect to someone with the same stats as me just for the nice amount of matk it gives plus since your not lending any stats so your cssp and sd stay the same.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jun 23, 2017 22:54:35 GMT
Well as said above, this is a jack of all trades build but a master at none. Meaning it will be pretty powerless everywhere from episode 3 onward. Solo and in a party. Prettymuch useless and replaceable.
The only jack of all trades class that could go over well is Necromancer. And even then its better to specialize in only one or two areas.
But connection is definitely not useless. Hopefully the broom sweep skill mixed with it would be pretty good. Obviously the best option with it would be a Petal Scream and that helps with MATK by a lot. It just means you need to connect to someone when grinding.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 24, 2017 0:39:26 GMT
for example a hwiz who wants to increase assualt buff time but dont want to add str Lolwut. Assault time is fixed at 5 sec, can't change it ... Done~with~forums *maybe
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Post by Pixie on Jun 24, 2017 20:58:53 GMT
Off topic but irunaonline.boards.net/thread/26726/assault-buff-time (edit i guess only sin my bad) And connection lowers cast speed. My mana wave is instant cast but connected it takes 1.5 sec to cast. i usually connect with beast knight not magic class so i suppose they don't have dex. Agi could still benefit high wizard who use imp ray since buff increase evasion. The only class i've connected with so far that had a problem with auto attack was assasins and sh hwiz. Pallys dont usually complain unless they are guardian spam build which isn't to common.
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Post by pingrek on Jun 24, 2017 21:07:56 GMT
Only assassin's assault buff can increase to 10 seconds, high wizard is fixed at 5 seconds or else more high wizards would connect with str servants to get more zero rays out of the allotted time
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