Provoke/Guardian + Hate Gear = Still Lose Aggro

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So to resurrect this thread, it seems pretty easy to take agro of a Paly. But the situation is skill spam. But Provoke 4 spam/Guardian spam/or a mix of both eventually as a pre nemesis bishop, I can easily take hate if I choose too.

This is without any hate gear mind you, it's probably beneficial to have some I suppose. But it's funny how healing myself 3 times on a brand new mob, and provoke 4 still doesn't pull agro off me.

Also I'm not sure if it's just the skill Holy Light. But even doing 1's I can pull agro although I'm sure that has something to do with all the heals I did prior.

Just to note in my experience, guardian's main hate gaining ability is the damage, it doesn't seem to have any sort of aggression capture outside of that.

So I don't know, but I have a feeling any skill spammer can take hate pretty easily, unless the paly can out dps him.

Somtimes bish/hw use wolf ears too o.o so if their using hate gear the pally probably cant hold argo as well x.x

Similarly geared Paladins and Magic Blade Enchanters will bounce hate off of each other the whole boss fight but they will live just as well as Paladins anyways so it doesn't make much of a difference unless you have a Sin in the party or the Enchanter points the boss at the party lol.

Also well geared Hwiz and Assassins can steal hate kind of often. Kind of just the way it is with them. I haven't had too much experience with Bishops stealing hate though but they are usually either not geared well and have to spam heal so its not a problem or they are geared well and just toss out like 3 heals occasionally and I'm good lol.

I've experienced losing aggro but I could not tell if it was because of SH or just pure DPS or just by more skill spam.  When it happened, I tried using BloodyScythe (+15% hate) with 2 kaphars (+30% hate x 2) and taunt bangle (+20% hate) with Kaphar (+30% hate).

That's +125% hate and spamming guardian per second, so it looks for sure that I wouldn't lose aggro, but I did lose aggro again so there must be something wrong with that.

There is probably more to hate than meets the eye and until we understand how it works we cannot control it perfectly or even at least understand why these things happen.

I have a hunch that hate values does not accumulate for long and actually expires quickly.  Pallys have Rage Force skill that is supposedly based on hate so that might give an opening to understanding how hate works.  However, it will take some tests to understand what the rage force skill is and how it works and reverse math that to hate values but that is only after we get our damage formulas correctly.

Having said that, I wouldn't recommend a hate gear, probably until we know better.

Well they are only 136 so they don't have Bstab yet lol. Also I'm talking mostly about higher leveled Assassins(200+) as their damage scales a lot with level since they never run out of good damage stats. When the Sin is hitting 40k+ even without Double Bstab then keeping hate can be a problem xD. I also have no trouble stealing hate from a Bishop spamming Holy Light. The only classes(besides Paladin of course) I have trouble keeping hate from are Hwiz, Assassin, and obscenely well geared Ninjas. Gladiators *can* steal hate occasionally depending on the boss and stuff too(if I have to really spam Stoneskin like crazy).

I don't use hate gear either xD. I'm curious as to your level. Paladins get better hate generation from 180-200 skills I believe so maybe you are in the 160-200 range? 

As far as I know from my experience, Well geared HWiz & M.blade enchanter & geo spammer monk n of course bishop who spam heal can steal agro from pally. Even when the pally wear most hate+ gear set.
Thats why its important to notice that maintain agro is not only tanker's responsibility, but also the dps classes n healer. Read the situation carefully.. Dont just spamming skill blindly