bravebor
Community Contributor
to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2016 18:05:30 GMT
Today I was grinding on yardes and intermittently shouting lfp 236 pal. No pt. Yesterday the same. The day before the same etc. Post oath... Why pt when you can 1 hit 3-4 trade or 3is at a time. Maybe a bish or preferably a sevent, but that's it. Sure for boss pts pal are favored, but I think many pals rather solo or just pt with bish or sniper for ailments t heal as any other class poses such a massive liability when casting oath that it is just simply not worth it in the end. Sure oath works awsomly on massively high HP bosses in that during those 10 sec, hate gauge raises massively keeping the mobs attention on you and basically leaving a finishing blow for you by the time it activates once pt members have done their bit. But that is provided that everyone in pt knows what tf they are doing. In terms of pting random ppl, sure an oath pal would be a wanted commodity, but honestly, just how many oath pals pt random people after the first few times of being killed because their pt member had ailments t or was killed at the wrong time... Pallies are awesome tanks, but only for those who understand how to use them as such. Which aren't many. Otherwise, we just keep on fap- *cough* playing with ourselves... Bro your point just doesn't work. Mq takes you to 251, and any pally who gets to 251 would grind 9 lvls to get oath. Using such a low level pally doesn't prove anything, no level 230 something class could out dmg or out perform a max level gladiator. No chance. I would never suggest they could. But i am talking about top of the game max level best gear players. You just need to ask yourself one thing bro... Do you ever see... Lfm gladi? Because i certainly see "lfm pally"... Dont look at one aspect but look at the class as a whole... Every aspect of it... Not just damage but other aspects... You will find that no matter how you spin things at this stage a max level paladin with top level gear will out perform a max level gladiator with top level gear. I'm still looking for lfm pally. And sure it's Nub lvl but I was out of the game for a while. Several months in fact, and the reason I haven't just mq lvld is over hit a ice wall in the form of an annoying icy loli that keeps bending me over n sending me walking out funny. I can handle mobs such as glabora easier out of mq than I can that tart in mq q.q. Doesn't mean I didn't keep appraised of developments in the game though. You will notice also that though I did use my nub pal as an example, I did also reference those path pallies and the many difficulties that they face.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 18:24:51 GMT
Bro your point just doesn't work. Mq takes you to 251, and any pally who gets to 251 would grind 9 lvls to get oath. Using such a low level pally doesn't prove anything, no level 230 something class could out dmg or out perform a max level gladiator. No chance. I would never suggest they could. But i am talking about top of the game max level best gear players. You just need to ask yourself one thing bro... Do you ever see... Lfm gladi? Because i certainly see "lfm pally"... Dont look at one aspect but look at the class as a whole... Every aspect of it... Not just damage but other aspects... You will find that no matter how you spin things at this stage a max level paladin with top level gear will out perform a max level gladiator with top level gear. I'm still looking for lfm pally. And sure it's Nub lvl but I was out of the game for a while. Several months in fact, and the reason I haven't just mq lvld is over hit a ice wall in the form of an annoying icy loli that keeps bending me over n sending me walking out funny. I can handle mobs such as glabora easier out of mq than I can that tart in mq q.q. Doesn't mean I didn't keep appraised of developments in the game though. You will notice also that though I did use my nub pal as an example, I did also reference those path pallies and the many difficulties that they face. Wanna meet in game at 6:40pm gmt at underground bailrune ? I'll give you a hand with mq, i dont have much to do in game so i dont mind helping ppl out a bit. Its 6:24 gmt now. Pm me mate Edit: not gonna continue with the topic because we're running around in circles
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 18:26:26 GMT
My ign is Saratobi
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Post by Arata on Dec 16, 2016 2:03:28 GMT
After doing some more test with spell boost. I'm pretty sure now. Magic Blade works better on fire/water/wind/earth elements. Megaroche Baum Warrior High Ent Nommar Got almost the same damage when fighting elemental mobs. These are M.Blade damage on Third Eyes and Yarde (Neutral/Light element) using the same equipment + spell boost. So, M.Blade damage got power up on origin element mobs, but that damage got decrease when using it on non-origin element mobs and on bosses. Meanwhile gladiator can still maintain their damage on bosses. They can have the same amount of damage when fighting mobs, and when fighting boss according to youtube videos. Maybe if Gladiator can maintain their damage on boss, then they can also have the same amount of damage on Neutral/Light/Dark normal mobs? This is completely on my side fault not noticing this different performance on M.Blade damage until recently. Bcs I was only seeing M.Blade damage on boss and on non-origin element mobs before. The conclusion that I got from this is Gladiator have almost the same rough life as M.Blade Enchanter. And as you said, M.Blade Enchanter can have a higher damage on elemental mobs, meanwhile Gladiator can have a better performance than M.Blade Enchanter on boss field. This conclusion could be wrong if there are other Gladiator out there that can have more than 200k (maybe can reach 250k) damage when grinding elemental mobs and also have higher damage when grinding neutral/light/dark mobs. If there are this kind of Gladiator out there, then M.Blade Enchanter will get completely beaten by Gladiator.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 16, 2016 3:55:51 GMT
That's Bishop. Enchanter buffs are Draw, Enchant, Fire/Water/Earth/Wind Element(used to just be Elemental Attack), Defense, and Reflect. Is jn minstrel then? im really sure that i got a quick buff from someone in my pt one time and there was no bishop... Can bishop do quick on none party ppl? I was so confused because i got delay out of nowhere with monk enchy and minstrel in pt... Lol I did also look on enchy skills but couldn't see it so yeah... Dream Song lowers skill delay along with the MP cost reduction haha.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 16, 2016 22:18:54 GMT
This conclusion could be wrong if there are other Gladiator out there that can have more than 200k (maybe can reach 250k) damage when grinding elemental mobs and also have higher damage when grinding neutral/light/dark mobs. If there are this kind of Gladiator out there, then M.Blade Enchanter will get completely beaten by Gladiator. The only way for gladiator to hit over 200k+ on anything would be with all buffs + ignition + esperanza + bishop buffs/mins buffs. Our tempest damage we hit on bosses is higher than anything we can do on mobs. This is why we need an upgrade, i was farming baum warrior briefly thr other week with sakuro, his max damage on baums is around 135k (about what what mine is...) as you can see this is a long way from 200k.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 17, 2016 2:16:44 GMT
After doing some more test with spell boost. I'm pretty sure now. Magic Blade works better on fire/water/wind/earth elements. Megaroche So, M.Blade damage got power up on origin element mobs, but that damage got decrease when using it on non-origin element mobs and on bosses. Meanwhile gladiator can still maintain their damage on bosses. They can have the same amount of damage when fighting mobs, and when fighting boss according to youtube videos. Maybe if Gladiator can maintain their damage on boss, then they can also have the same amount of damage on Neutral/Light/Dark normal mobs? This is completely on my side fault not noticing this different performance on M.Blade damage until recently. Bcs I was only seeing M.Blade damage on boss and on non-origin element mobs before. The conclusion that I got from this is Gladiator have almost the same rough life as M.Blade Enchanter. And as you said, M.Blade Enchanter can have a higher damage on elemental mobs, meanwhile Gladiator can have a better performance than M.Blade Enchanter on boss field. This conclusion could be wrong if there are other Gladiator out there that can have more than 200k (maybe can reach 250k) damage when grinding elemental mobs and also have higher damage when grinding neutral/light/dark mobs. If there are this kind of Gladiator out there, then M.Blade Enchanter will get completely beaten by Gladiator. Don't Yarde/Third Eye also have higher defensive stats than the others as well? But yeah Origin makes a huge difference. Also I'm assuming you aren't using proper Mblade gear since you're auto? The Magic part is really high though haha. I have no clue how big of a difference Mblade 2 is though.
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 29, 2016 22:41:01 GMT
satisfied?
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Eaysley
Community Contributor
"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 30, 2016 0:11:40 GMT
satisfied? Sht really I just turned to Ninja Lol jk. I don't know why everyone's talking sht about Gladiator but it's awesome now as it is tbh. Not here to argue, if you hate the class, just freaking play ninja or whatever lol
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 30, 2016 7:27:56 GMT
I have nothing against the class XD only the players who talk down on it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 14:23:16 GMT
Gladiator will be still at its best, its just it cant catch up yet because other classes were buffed and Gladiators got only an upgrade (mainly to the ones that you dont use often in boss or mobs) Such pillar and tempest.
I have high hopes for the class Still I consider the class as an outstanding class for how it play its role. I'm just actually waiting for the people who look down on us to shut up once were buffed.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 30, 2016 14:52:33 GMT
I have nothing against the class XD only the players who talk down on it Why dont you build one then? Lol your the type of person who runs their mouth but doesn't put up when it comes time to. Go build a gladiator then your opinion will mean something.
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 30, 2016 14:54:19 GMT
I could very well say the same to you about every other class you complain is so much more op than glad :3 you got your skill update coming you can stop being an ass now
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 30, 2016 14:57:35 GMT
I could very well say the same to you about every other class you complain is so much more op than glad :3 you got your skill update coming you can stop being an ass now Uhh im not lurking around other ppls classes trying to tell them whats what with their job. Only a true ass would do that Like i said your opinion on any of this means absolutely nothing until you go build a gladiator. Im not on your class section running my mouth about PIE i dont know.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 30, 2016 15:01:07 GMT
And way to go on reviving a month old topic on a forum section you have nothing to do with.
Couldn't start a new one?or do you just like to live in the past?
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