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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 12, 2016 13:40:13 GMT
I'm very much aware that tempest gives damage from Agi I did say more I did not specify more than what but I meant more than it already does asobimo won't give glad the same boost as samu for Agi in actual stat but the might increase the limit from 256 to higher or just increase the damage gained from that 256 and by fake I don't mean in just levels anyone can buy a cap account with real money does that make them a true gladiator? My definition of fake is someone who won't stay true to their class and will give up at the first sign of trouble or talk down on it I may have never made a glad myself but I've seen the grind with one of my friends I used to grind with my glad friend lvl 220 before raton was released and used to idolize her for being able to kill 3 high ents so quickly while I could only manage 1 per 3-4 sec with my full ifrit set and I haven't experienced it first hand but I have seen the mp usage I've seen the now low damage I've seen my best friend struggle to lvl up without anyone to help when I'm busy I know gladiator has it rough but hey at the end of the day you can get it done even if its not as fast as you'd like to be you can't compare a glad to an assassin damage wise that isn't a fair comparison in the least but glad still hasn't gotten their skills buffed yet you compared earlier glad to the newly buffed enchanter and claimed it was unfair we just got our buff...yours is still coming just be patient and even then glad still has higher solo capability not counting pots since apparently those don't matter to you its all well and good that you are warning a felllow glad to prepare in case things don't work out well but try to have some pride at least in what the class is capable of instead of criticizing the fact it lacks assassin damage now we are both getting slightly off topic of this thread so I'll end my argument here
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 14:15:47 GMT
Nah you misunderstood. You know lozt? the minstrel...? He saved his mq from pritty much at zazel but hes kept up with cap (hes currently level 345). Now he wanted to keep his mq until the upper cap (which is level 400) and then he wanted to do mq after he grinded to 400 so he could break the upper limit cap. He sent a message to asobimo to confirm that this was possible and he got bad news in his reply... They said you cant break past the upper limit cap. On doing so they also said the cap is 400...I actually read that imode has now ended? Is it still going? Don't think imode ended, Asobimo decided to launch episode 6 and jp wiki is still getting updated with new MQs that are still not released in JP version I don't know what is the current level cap in imode but in JP we are not very far... seems like we are now getting level cap raise each 4 months or more... If he wants to wait until level cap 400 is released he might have to wait 10 years xD If level cap gets closer to 400 Asobimo will definitely raise the upper cap or at least you will start wasting exp from mq like it currently does from mobs when you hit cap. These things are very simple to implement and Asobimo won't allow any game breaking things in the game. i.imgsafe.org/eae3a89ab9.jpg^ this makes it sound like the upper limit is 400 and you can't actually pass that. In other words thats the end of the game? At least thats what it sounds like. Mq currently takes you to 251, ep3 ended around 227, so it would stand to reason that ep 5 will end around 270 to 280 i guess? And ep 6 to 290 to 300? I would assume that if you get to 400 then mq wouldn't count anymore and you wouldn't get any more exp. And if level cap is gonna be once every 4 months then 400 will be a long way off, so it makes sense that the upper cap is 400.
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Yukina
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Post by Yukina on Dec 12, 2016 14:22:49 GMT
Don't think that all MQs are enough to get you 50 levels up to level 400 Btw imode is down to one mq per 3 months or so. JP is at 1 each month or two... and EN is near to 1 mq per month... Nah you misunderstood. You know lozt? the minstrel...? He saved his mq from pritty much at zazel but hes kept up with cap (hes currently level 345). Now he wanted to keep his mq until the upper cap (which is level 400) and then he wanted to do mq after he grinded to 400 so he could break the upper limit cap. He sent a message to asobimo to confirm that this was possible and he got bad news in his reply... They said you cant break past the upper limit cap. On doing so they also said the cap is 400...I actually read that imode has now ended? Is it still going? i-mode is still ongoing with lvl 390 as current cap.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 14:59:30 GMT
I'm very much aware that tempest gives damage from Agi I did say more I did not specify more than what but I meant more than it already does asobimo won't give glad the same boost as samu for Agi in actual stat but the might increase the limit from 256 to higher or just increase the damage gained from that 256 and by fake I don't mean in just levels anyone can buy a cap account with real money does that make them a true gladiator? My definition of fake is someone who won't stay true to their class and will give up at the first sign of trouble or talk down on it I may have never made a glad myself but I've seen the grind with one of my friends I used to grind with my glad friend lvl 220 before raton was released and used to idolize her for being able to kill 3 high ents so quickly while I could only manage 1 per 3-4 sec with my full ifrit set and I haven't experienced it first hand but I have seen the mp usage I've seen the now low damage I've seen my best friend struggle to lvl up without anyone to help when I'm busy I know gladiator has it rough but hey at the end of the day you can get it done even if its not as fast as you'd like to be you can't compare a glad to an assassin damage wise that isn't a fair comparison in the least but glad still hasn't gotten their skills buffed yet you compared earlier glad to the newly buffed enchanter and claimed it was unfair we just got our buff...yours is still coming just be patient and even then glad still has higher solo capability not counting pots since apparently those don't matter to you its all well and good that you are warning a felllow glad to prepare in case things don't work out well but try to have some pride at least in what the class is capable of instead of criticizing the fact it lacks assassin damage now we are both getting slightly off topic of this thread so I'll end my argument here High ents was a long time ago bro, gladiator has become way out of date since then. Its not just patches that gladiator is missing but upgrades to old skills... Imagine if enchanter still had to use mblade1? Thats the situation gladiator is in... The last skill update didn't update anything for gladiator except a bit of damage for astute which isn't a main skill at all. Enchanter got mblade2 in last skill update at 320, well it would make sense that if enchy got their main skill in 220 like gladi did, then gladi should have gotten tempest 2 at 320? Would you you say thats right? Actually my issues with gladiator and the general problem with gladiator started when 260 skills was released... The only damage based skill that was given to us was warcry 4... Which is such a small increase its hardly worth mentioning. Infact the last real damage based skill that gladiator got was tempest at 220... 220 skills was a veerrrry long time ago, now imagine if enchy didn't get any damage buff from 220 till now? Except a little bit from warcry 4 and stats and new gear... Imagine if no patch? No damage increase for 300 skills, and hardly any damage for 260 skills? Big story time now: "Now imagine you just finished mq and you are level 251 you're a gladiator, you look at your future skills and you see no pillar 2... No tempest 2... You read bloodthirst, it looks cool and only 9 levels away... So you go to grind at 3i or yarde... You try to kill them but it takes soooo long that you simply cant do it without a party... So you start saying "lfp gladiator 251"... Someone else says lfp geo 251... You try to start party with monk but he leaves and joins a full pt... So you keep trying to lfp but nobody will party you, after a little while you decide to make a pt... You need hw bish and minstrel, firat you find hw (as they are most common) but he leaves after you cant find a minstrel... Then you find one and a hw and a bish... Now you have that grind party you wanted... So lets begin but its slow and hw dies a few times because the bish u got is also 251 and wet behind the ears.. Suddenly "lfm hw fast grind... 2 mins later you hw leaves"... You decide you need to go shop and take a break so u log off. You come back later and its the same bs... You might find pt that lasts for 30 mins or an hour but most dont make it to 5 mins before ppl leave you to find better pt... Then you resolve to do this alone!!! No more party you will grind alone!!! After hours and hours and days upon days at baum warrior you at last get bloodthirst... You DID IT... You got your goal, you use it and its great, makes you survive much easier... Then you decide to get some gear but farming bosses is still so hard, need boss farm party so lets try that... You decide to try and farm bosses you need equipment or xstals from but nobody really goes there and guildies always too busy to help.. You go to popular boss farm location like sauro or ouvel but nobody will pt you because your still too low to tank those bosses... What do you do now then...? By this point you have already half given up because the prospect of spending alll that time grinding solo to get 300 for no end reward because theres no good skills to work for has already stunned your desire for the class... Slowly as you find it hard to earn spina because you need more levels but its hard to level because theres no skills to work towards and no desire to level just for stats... after 265 to 275 you give up." End of story You either stop playing iruna, which is what most of the younger gladiator are doing or you start another class, most dont bother to start other class after all that... They move onto other games and iruna not only loses more gladiator ( there are hardly any for that reason) but also loses more players... This is gladiator scenario... Oh fyi gladi mq took twice as long as enchy because we cant mp heal or heal so we had to wait for very nice ppl to mq us or had to pay for it... So even getting to that stage where tgere struggle really begins (251) is already a struggle. I too am do wuth this topic but i end on this note, i dare you to make a gladiator a experience this firat hand for yourself... You will see the real difference between enchy and gladi.
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 12, 2016 14:59:49 GMT
Don't think imode ended, Asobimo decided to launch episode 6 and jp wiki is still getting updated with new MQs that are still not released in JP version I don't know what is the current level cap in imode but in JP we are not very far... seems like we are now getting level cap raise each 4 months or more... If he wants to wait until level cap 400 is released he might have to wait 10 years xD If level cap gets closer to 400 Asobimo will definitely raise the upper cap or at least you will start wasting exp from mq like it currently does from mobs when you hit cap. These things are very simple to implement and Asobimo won't allow any game breaking things in the game. i.imgsafe.org/eae3a89ab9.jpg^ this makes it sound like the upper limit is 400 and you can't actually pass that. In other words thats the end of the game? At least thats what it sounds like. Mq currently takes you to 251, ep3 ended around 227, so it would stand to reason that ep 5 will end around 270 to 280 i guess? And ep 6 to 290 to 300? I would assume that if you get to 400 then mq wouldn't count anymore and you wouldn't get any more exp. And if level cap is gonna be once every 4 months then 400 will be a long way off, so it makes sense that the upper cap is 400. Yup seems like you will loose that exp... so it's just a waste to leave MQ until 400. But am pretty sure they will raise that upper cap sooner or later
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 15:16:09 GMT
i.imgsafe.org/eae3a89ab9.jpg^ this makes it sound like the upper limit is 400 and you can't actually pass that. In other words thats the end of the game? At least thats what it sounds like. Mq currently takes you to 251, ep3 ended around 227, so it would stand to reason that ep 5 will end around 270 to 280 i guess? And ep 6 to 290 to 300? I would assume that if you get to 400 then mq wouldn't count anymore and you wouldn't get any more exp. And if level cap is gonna be once every 4 months then 400 will be a long way off, so it makes sense that the upper cap is 400. Yup seems like you will loose that exp... so it's just a waste to leave MQ until 400. But am pretty sure they will raise that upper cap sooner or later Yeah thats why hes decided to do mq now. Hes 345 with mq at zazel or around there... Ball park figure what would u say he will end on after hes done mq? My guess is 358 or something... Lol wish i did that. Ill be jelly looking at him like 15 levels above cap
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Post by Brown on Dec 12, 2016 15:52:19 GMT
Snipers damage only excel in AOE mobbing and its pretty mediocre in single target farms (boss farms). Do not use hide attack as an example as its a premium pet exclusive skill and its basically a 1 trick pony.
-Directly taken from jp wiki Cross fire (PT range attack)
Special archery using area rain. As the target is attacked, the power of the area rain which is being activated increases. However, item delay is also necessary.
SLv1 MP1 Quest [skill acquisition trial!] (Lv240) clear
※ use damage is increased in accordance with the number of times {usage count = cross trigger count × number of targets (up to three-body)}
※ use the number of times the maximum 24 or 27 times
※ Crossfire 1 to 5 times ATK × 8
※ Crossfire 6 to 10 times ATK × 16
※ Crossfire 11-15 times ATK × 24
※ Crossfire 16-20 times ATK × 32
※ Crossfire 21-25 times ATK × 40
※ enemy state In case of abnormality, DEF negligible additional damage. Additional damage also takes the cross magnification
As you can see it has its own 'count range' where the attack rise is at, sure a sniper can do lets say 30k at the beginning and ends around 200-300k of crossfire damage and its only achievable if you are hitting 3 mobs constantly during the 10 seconds of area rain 2. When the 10 seconds duration ends or you recast it, you have to build up the counts again from the beginning. Now imagine you only hitting 1 mob/boss at a time, your total damage dealt is actually lower than most classes can do in 10 seconds.
A side note, gladiators is from the knight tree, your tanking ability is among the best in general. Just having Guard 1 already reduces a lot of physical damage whereas enchanters only have drain and magic barrier where I merely see it as a Hp boost only.
About stats, having agi also reduces the overall chance of receiving a critical hit from mobs/bosses aside from dodging normal hits. When you do get hit, it will mostly not be a critical hit. In short, having both vit and agi boosts survival significantly.
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Post by Shori>.< on Dec 12, 2016 16:02:02 GMT
I'm very much aware that tempest gives damage from Agi I did say more I did not specify more than what but I meant more than it already does asobimo won't give glad the same boost as samu for Agi in actual stat but the might increase the limit from 256 to higher or just increase the damage gained from that 256 and by fake I don't mean in just levels anyone can buy a cap account with real money does that make them a true gladiator? My definition of fake is someone who won't stay true to their class and will give up at the first sign of trouble or talk down on it I may have never made a glad myself but I've seen the grind with one of my friends I used to grind with my glad friend lvl 220 before raton was released and used to idolize her for being able to kill 3 high ents so quickly while I could only manage 1 per 3-4 sec with my full ifrit set and I haven't experienced it first hand but I have seen the mp usage I've seen the now low damage I've seen my best friend struggle to lvl up without anyone to help when I'm busy I know gladiator has it rough but hey at the end of the day you can get it done even if its not as fast as you'd like to be you can't compare a glad to an assassin damage wise that isn't a fair comparison in the least but glad still hasn't gotten their skills buffed yet you compared earlier glad to the newly buffed enchanter and claimed it was unfair we just got our buff...yours is still coming just be patient and even then glad still has higher solo capability not counting pots since apparently those don't matter to you its all well and good that you are warning a felllow glad to prepare in case things don't work out well but try to have some pride at least in what the class is capable of instead of criticizing the fact it lacks assassin damage now we are both getting slightly off topic of this thread so I'll end my argument here High ents was a long time ago bro, gladiator has become way out of date since then. Its not just patches that gladiator is missing but upgrades to old skills... Imagine if enchanter still had to use mblade1? Thats the situation gladiator is in... The last skill update didn't update anything for gladiator except a bit of damage for astute which isn't a main skill at all. Enchanter got mblade2 in last skill update at 320, well it would make sense that if enchy got their main skill in 220 like gladi did, then gladi should have gotten tempest 2 at 320? Would you you say thats right? Actually my issues with gladiator and the general problem with gladiator started when 260 skills was released... The only damage based skill that was given to us was warcry 4... Which is such a small increase its hardly worth mentioning. Infact the last real damage based skill that gladiator got was tempest at 220... 220 skills was a veerrrry long time ago, now imagine if enchy didn't get any damage buff from 220 till now? Except a little bit from warcry 4 and stats and new gear... Imagine if no patch? No damage increase for 300 skills, and hardly any damage for 260 skills? Big story time now: "Now imagine you just finished mq and you are level 251 you're a gladiator, you look at your future skills and you see no pillar 2... No tempest 2... You read bloodthirst, it looks cool and only 9 levels away... So you go to grind at 3i or yarde... You try to kill them but it takes soooo long that you simply cant do it without a party... So you start saying "lfp gladiator 251"... Someone else says lfp geo 251... You try to start party with monk but he leaves and joins a full pt... So you keep trying to lfp but nobody will party you, after a little while you decide to make a pt... You need hw bish and minstrel, firat you find hw (as they are most common) but he leaves after you cant find a minstrel... Then you find one and a hw and a bish... Now you have that grind party you wanted... So lets begin but its slow and hw dies a few times because the bish u got is also 251 and wet behind the ears.. Suddenly "lfm hw fast grind... 2 mins later you hw leaves"... You decide you need to go shop and take a break so u log off. You come back later and its the same bs... You might find pt that lasts for 30 mins or an hour but most dont make it to 5 mins before ppl leave you to find better pt... Then you resolve to do this alone!!! No more party you will grind alone!!! After hours and hours and days upon days at baum warrior you at last get bloodthirst... You DID IT... You got your goal, you use it and its great, makes you survive much easier... Then you decide to get some gear but farming bosses is still so hard, need boss farm party so lets try that... You decide to try and farm bosses you need equipment or xstals from but nobody really goes there and guildies always too busy to help.. You go to popular boss farm location like sauro or ouvel but nobody will pt you because your still too low to tank those bosses... What do you do now then...? By this point you have already half given up because the prospect of spending alll that time grinding solo to get 300 for no end reward because theres no good skills to work for has already stunned your desire for the class... Slowly as you find it hard to earn spina because you need more levels but its hard to level because theres no skills to work towards and no desire to level just for stats... after 265 to 275 you give up." End of story You either stop playing iruna, which is what most of the younger gladiator are doing or you start another class, most dont bother to start other class after all that... They move onto other games and iruna not only loses more gladiator ( there are hardly any for that reason) but also loses more players... This is gladiator scenario... Oh fyi gladi mq took twice as long as enchy because we cant mp heal or heal so we had to wait for very nice ppl to mq us or had to pay for it... So even getting to that stage where tgere struggle really begins (251) is already a struggle. I too am do wuth this topic but i end on this note, i dare you to make a gladiator a experience this firat hand for yourself... You will see the real difference between enchy and gladi. Did you try to party other classes instead?
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 16:07:14 GMT
Snipers damage only excel in AOE mobbing and its pretty mediocre in single target farms (boss farms). Do not use hide attack as an example as its a premium pet exclusive skill and its basically a 1 trick pony. -Directly taken from jp wikiCross fire (PT range attack) A side note, gladiators is from the knight tree, your tanking ability is among the best in general. Just having Guard 1 already reduces a lot of physical damage whereas enchanters only have drain and magic barrier where I merely see it as a Hp boost only. About stats, having agi also reduces the overall chance of receiving a critical hit from mobs/bosses aside from dodging normal hits. When you do get hit, it will mostly not be a critical hit. In short, having both vit and agi boosts survival significantly. Yup great point here except that none of this is about gladiator tanking ability, thats not important... Why is it not important ... Thats why, because almost any class can tank when they have the correct gear for the boss or mob... Tanking is so unimportant these days that it's hardly even a benefit that anyone can point out. Hw can tank Monk can tank Samu can tank Bishop can tank Sin can tank Enchy can tank Ninja can tank Pally can tank... Theres no shortage of tanks in the game so saying gladi skills makes us "best tank" means absolutely nothing when everyone else can tank just as effectively using correct gear and pots. Do you know what the real difference between gladiator and all those classes is? Its the one difference that really matters... lower DAMAGE....!!!...
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 16:15:34 GMT
High ents was a long time ago bro, gladiator has become way out of date since then. Its not just patches that gladiator is missing but upgrades to old skills... Imagine if enchanter still had to use mblade1? Thats the situation gladiator is in... The last skill update didn't update anything for gladiator except a bit of damage for astute which isn't a main skill at all. Enchanter got mblade2 in last skill update at 320, well it would make sense that if enchy got their main skill in 220 like gladi did, then gladi should have gotten tempest 2 at 320? Would you you say thats right? Actually my issues with gladiator and the general problem with gladiator started when 260 skills was released... The only damage based skill that was given to us was warcry 4... Which is such a small increase its hardly worth mentioning. Infact the last real damage based skill that gladiator got was tempest at 220... 220 skills was a veerrrry long time ago, now imagine if enchy didn't get any damage buff from 220 till now? Except a little bit from warcry 4 and stats and new gear... Imagine if no patch? No damage increase for 300 skills, and hardly any damage for 260 skills? Big story time now: "Now imagine you just finished mq and you are level 251 you're a gladiator, you look at your future skills and you see no pillar 2... No tempest 2... You read bloodthirst, it looks cool and only 9 levels away... So you go to grind at 3i or yarde... You try to kill them but it takes soooo long that you simply cant do it without a party... So you start saying "lfp gladiator 251"... Someone else says lfp geo 251... You try to start party with monk but he leaves and joins a full pt... So you keep trying to lfp but nobody will party you, after a little while you decide to make a pt... You need hw bish and minstrel, firat you find hw (as they are most common) but he leaves after you cant find a minstrel... Then you find one and a hw and a bish... Now you have that grind party you wanted... So lets begin but its slow and hw dies a few times because the bish u got is also 251 and wet behind the ears.. Suddenly "lfm hw fast grind... 2 mins later you hw leaves"... You decide you need to go shop and take a break so u log off. You come back later and its the same bs... You might find pt that lasts for 30 mins or an hour but most dont make it to 5 mins before ppl leave you to find better pt... Then you resolve to do this alone!!! No more party you will grind alone!!! After hours and hours and days upon days at baum warrior you at last get bloodthirst... You DID IT... You got your goal, you use it and its great, makes you survive much easier... Then you decide to get some gear but farming bosses is still so hard, need boss farm party so lets try that... You decide to try and farm bosses you need equipment or xstals from but nobody really goes there and guildies always too busy to help.. You go to popular boss farm location like sauro or ouvel but nobody will pt you because your still too low to tank those bosses... What do you do now then...? By this point you have already half given up because the prospect of spending alll that time grinding solo to get 300 for no end reward because theres no good skills to work for has already stunned your desire for the class... Slowly as you find it hard to earn spina because you need more levels but its hard to level because theres no skills to work towards and no desire to level just for stats... after 265 to 275 you give up." End of story You either stop playing iruna, which is what most of the younger gladiator are doing or you start another class, most dont bother to start other class after all that... They move onto other games and iruna not only loses more gladiator ( there are hardly any for that reason) but also loses more players... This is gladiator scenario... Oh fyi gladi mq took twice as long as enchy because we cant mp heal or heal so we had to wait for very nice ppl to mq us or had to pay for it... So even getting to that stage where tgere struggle really begins (251) is already a struggle. I too am do wuth this topic but i end on this note, i dare you to make a gladiator a experience this firat hand for yourself... You will see the real difference between enchy and gladi. Did you try to party other classes instead? Thats a silly question... Of course i did... I wouldnt just try one party type.. Tried monks, enchy, snipers, servants, ninja, sins... We exhaust all possibilities before this happens. You need to consider that mainstream parties are hw bish minstrel these days so i used that example. But obviously id try all combinations... I never gave up too... I leveled solo from 280 till 344. Why do you think we are so rare and becoming more rare?
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Post by Shori>.< on Dec 12, 2016 16:29:03 GMT
Thats a silly question... Of course i did... I wouldnt just try one party type.. Tried monks, enchy, snipers, servants, ninja, sins... We exhaust all possibilities before this happens. You need to consider that mainstream parties are hw bish minstrel these days so i used that example. But obviously id try all combinations... I never gave up too... I leveled solo from 280 till 344. Why do you think we are so rare and becoming more rare? Ahaha sorry if that offend you. Just had a guildie whining about not getting pt, and when asked apparently he only tried to get into AoE pts 'for faster levelling'. He's pure claw monk so I doubt he'd be spamming geo. Kinda make me wanna go into the screen and smack him tho.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 18:33:04 GMT
Thats a silly question... Of course i did... I wouldnt just try one party type.. Tried monks, enchy, snipers, servants, ninja, sins... We exhaust all possibilities before this happens. You need to consider that mainstream parties are hw bish minstrel these days so i used that example. But obviously id try all combinations... I never gave up too... I leveled solo from 280 till 344. Why do you think we are so rare and becoming more rare? Ahaha sorry if that offend you. Just had a guildie whining about not getting pt, and when asked apparently he only tried to get into AoE pts 'for faster levelling'. He's pure claw monk so I doubt he'd be spamming geo. Kinda make me wanna go into the screen and smack him tho. Oh no i didn't take offense at all, its no problem to ask in case . Yes i tried every party type. My favorite party is actually: Monk (geo or rush) Enchy Mins Your friend is rush monk and rush monk has same problem as gladiator (except that being monk means they can change to geo if they want) Rush monk is good for survival and boss solo like gladiator. Show your friend this video and it should boost his desire to continue as rush monk, but he can always switch if he wants more dmg)
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 14, 2016 6:20:35 GMT
Ahaha sorry if that offend you. Just had a guildie whining about not getting pt, and when asked apparently he only tried to get into AoE pts 'for faster levelling'. He's pure claw monk so I doubt he'd be spamming geo. Kinda make me wanna go into the screen and smack him tho. Oh no i didn't take offense at all, its no problem to ask in case . Yes i tried every party type. My favorite party is actually: Monk (geo or rush) Enchy Mins Your friend is rush monk and rush monk has same problem as gladiator (except that being monk means they can change to geo if they want) Rush monk is good for survival and boss solo like gladiator. Show your friend this video and it should boost his desire to continue as rush monk, but he can always switch if he wants more dmg) Not going to quote the post that said this because too lazy to XD.... Just quoting you in general you are right that any class can tank or solo with proper gears but those proper gears for the most part usually make their dps lower by a lot with a few exceptions though you say all those classes have more damage?pally doesn't maybe it has higher 1 shot damage but it has lower dps as pointed out by others previously and you agreed until it became convenient for you not to bishop as well doesn't have higher dps nor beast knight nor servant and even enchanter has lower both tankyness and dps unless you sacrifice even more survival and even then that requires you to have 6 element sets and that's not just weapons like gladiator sin or sniper that's 6 sets of weapons armors adds and depending on your play style possibly slot specs as well even then even then its by chance since autoskills don't proc every hit all at once every time and spoilers its Not aoe also spoilers that's only after the recent patch to them who's to say the patch to glad skills won't make them as strong as if not stronger than pillar or sword tempest lvl 2 would?
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 5:16:57 GMT
Oh no i didn't take offense at all, its no problem to ask in case . Yes i tried every party type. My favorite party is actually: Monk (geo or rush) Enchy Mins Your friend is rush monk and rush monk has same problem as gladiator (except that being monk means they can change to geo if they want) Rush monk is good for survival and boss solo like gladiator. Show your friend this video and it should boost his desire to continue as rush monk, but he can always switch if he wants more dmg) Not going to quote the post that said this because too lazy to XD.... Just quoting you in general you are right that any class can tank or solo with proper gears but those proper gears for the most part usually make their dps lower by a lot with a few exceptions though you say all those classes have more damage?pally doesn't maybe it has higher 1 shot damage but it has lower dps as pointed out by others previously and you agreed until it became convenient for you not to bishop as well doesn't have higher dps nor beast knight nor servant and even enchanter has lower both tankyness and dps unless you sacrifice even more survival and even then that requires you to have 6 element sets and that's not just weapons like gladiator sin or sniper that's 6 sets of weapons armors adds and depending on your play style possibly slot specs as well even then even then its by chance since autoskills don't proc every hit all at once every time and spoilers its Not aoe also spoilers that's only after the recent patch to them who's to say the patch to glad skills won't make them as strong as if not stronger than pillar or sword tempest lvl 2 would? Am i really going to do this again with someone who doesn't own a gladiator (300+ gladi)? Doesn't anyone find it just a bit ignorant to start giving opinions about things they have no experience in? Lets just be clear: dps = damage per second, damage per second means how much damage is dealt in one hit. Dpm = damage per minute, this mrans how much damage is dealt in one minute. First lets answer the question about pallies, whether i agreed or not the facts are in the numbers, and its true i didn't know how hard pallies can hit Now these days pallies can hit around 2.5m but ive even seen some do 2.8m+ damage, now for arguments sake we will use the lower of these (2.5m) because these numbers would varey depending on mob/boss Now it takes 10 seconds to hit KO off, lets take gladiator damage per second with tempest - 150-180k per second depending on boss (i wont include mob as pillar is not even in the same league for damage). Now im going to be good to you here because im really getting fed up of going through this with people who dont have a clue what their talking about due to sheer lack of experience, ill take the highest gladiator damage and add another 10k on top. So gladiator hitting 190k per second for 10 seconds until pally hits his move... gladiator damage after 10 seconds = 1.9m (absolute max/ slightly fictional damage) Pally damage after 10 seconds = 2.5m+. You can do the math for 1 minute but i can assure you pally wins. ---- Next part, yes those gears make their dps LOWER like you say but they have the damn option don't they? To give you further example... Monk has option to be easy death high damage geo... Or low damage high survival rush... They have a choice. Enchy can be mblade or auto Even bish has a choice... But what choice does a gladi have to hit harder at the cost of survival? None. If you choose to be a monk or a ninja or a hw/bish/enchy ect ect ect..... You can switch between survival and damage types. If you choose gladiator you are stuck as low damage high survival, you have no option. At least with most other classes you have an option. This is the biggest indication that asobimo doesn't care at all about gladiators, most classes (especially damage based) have 2 builds to choose between. We have just one, this and the very lazy skill updates they gave us for 300 skills. ---- Third stage I really dont know what they will do for tempest 2 or pillar 2 because i dont work for asobimo, for all anyone knows they plan to nurf gladiator survival in next patch because they want to? How can anyone be sure? I dont speculate on things i have no clue about, like unannounced updates or classes i haven't built . ----- Last stage - i don't include minstrel, bk or servant for two reasons and i would think that the first one would be fairly obvious Minstrel and servant are pure support classes and you can hardly compare this, i would include bishops but bishop mob damage is above gladiator and they have the OPTION to utilize correct gear for boss survival. Second reason is bk and servant dont have their next skills yet, the 300 ones, when they do (in April) im sure bk would be shifted above gladiator if they dont patch us by then. Also i do put gladiator for the moment above those classes... But thats a pritty poor place to be if you ask me. You might wonder what makes me qualified to say this about gladiators? Because i spent 3 years building it. - i have a tendency on being honest with myself and not trying to lie to myself about certain things in life. If you want to be qualified to talk to me about this then your going to need to be a level 300+ gladiator and experience everything i have ever said on this whole damn subject for yourself. Aside from this if your going to revive sleeping topics you would do well to pm the person you want to talk to. Done with this topic or even taking anything you say seriously until you build a high level gladiator (anyone can mq and say "look i have one", high level =300+) Fyi enchy does more dpm and survival is just as good as gladiator so i really dont know what your talking about with enchy.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 15, 2016 5:41:55 GMT
Gladiator is odd. Looking at earlier skills it seemed as if they were intended to be a DPS class originally. When Pillar Blade came out it made them basically number 1 overall in every aspect for a little while. Then Tempest happened which was a further improvement, but then...Weird stuff happened. Hardskin had come out around this time as well, then more tank oriented skills came out and it morphed into a tank. No idea why they decided to go this route lol. But in any case with Enchanters being buffed Gladiator is now at the bottom lol. I've seen this skill updates for Gladiator and I've just been like "Why are they getting MORE tank skills?".
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