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Post by Shori>.< on Jun 5, 2016 14:49:20 GMT
Seeing this thread again, i gotta inform something. During the start of the rainy wedding event, i tried getting random pts for boss farm. I was kicked out of several of them because i couldn't spam resurrect. I will never understand why it matters considering i have level 1 resu only (revive with 30% hp)
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Post by quitted on Jun 5, 2016 16:38:39 GMT
Why bishops nowadays prefer spam revival than healing ? ok if the tank is a ninja, but why do they spam revival when the tank is paladin ? I know it recover a lot of HP when they get resurected but do bishop forgot they have heal skill ? Do bishop forgot their main role ? Furthermore, Paladins need HP to deal more damage and Heal cost less MP than Revival . You know it's annoying for High wizard or enchanter having to heal MP of bishops every 20 seconds. Hahaha! This is tooo funny. The standards for Bishops are lowering it seems, im just curious what boss did you farm? Did you bring it up with them? What did they say ect...I tend to keep to myself in Iruna these days because of things like this xD its nature of co-op multiple player videogames where its hard to get reach agreement. sometimes it also makes me feel wanna stop playing any MMORPG. i feel like i wont play any mmorpg if i quit iruna, probably just play single player RPG like pc version of ff13
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Jun 5, 2016 18:58:28 GMT
Hahaha! This is tooo funny. The standards for Bishops are lowering it seems, im just curious what boss did you farm? Did you bring it up with them? What did they say ect...I tend to keep to myself in Iruna these days because of things like this xD its nature of co-op multiple player videogames where its hard to get reach agreement. sometimes it also makes me feel wanna stop playing any MMORPG. i feel like i wont play any mmorpg if i quit iruna, probably just play single player RPG like pc version of ff13 Out of topic (sorry): there is a single player version of ff13 on PC ?! whut !! >.<
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Post by quitted on Jun 5, 2016 20:07:14 GMT
its nature of co-op multiple player videogames where its hard to get reach agreement. sometimes it also makes me feel wanna stop playing any MMORPG. i feel like i wont play any mmorpg if i quit iruna, probably just play single player RPG like pc version of ff13 Out of topic (sorry): there is a single player version of ff13 on PC ?! whut !! >.< what i mean is i probably play single player rpg like ff13 and there is pc version of ff13 released on steam.
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Post by quitted on Jun 6, 2016 14:12:56 GMT
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Pixie
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Post by Pixie on Jun 16, 2016 8:51:18 GMT
Ill weigh in. I partied with a pally once and my heal did less than the boss damage and i was healing 27k each heal but the boss was hitting faster than my heal or criticling faster than me. I can see the purpose of resu spam indeed i believeing having both sets is essential to bishop depending on the sistuation as stated before. for most mobs tho the bishop should be healing. I see so many bishop at highent or yarde that just stand there while the hwizards die xD
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jun 16, 2016 9:43:22 GMT
Ill weigh in. I partied with a pally once and my heal did less than the boss damage and i was healing 27k each heal but the boss was hitting faster than my heal or criticling faster than me. I can see the purpose of resu spam indeed i believeing having both sets is essential to bishop depending on the sistuation as stated before. for most mobs tho the bishop should be healing. I see so many bishop at highent or yarde that just stand there while the hwizards die xD I hope this story was from a while ago tho because 27k has'nt been much to a pal for a long time now. Highness bless from servent would prolly even do a better job than that. Just gunna tag Yazmat and @migrito before I flee
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Jun 16, 2016 10:59:38 GMT
Ill weigh in. I partied with a pally once and my heal did less than the boss damage and i was healing 27k each heal but the boss was hitting faster than my heal or criticling faster than me. I can see the purpose of resu spam indeed i believeing having both sets is essential to bishop depending on the sistuation as stated before. for most mobs tho the bishop should be healing. I see so many bishop at highent or yarde that just stand there while the hwizards die xD I hope this story was from a while ago tho because 27k has'nt been much to a pal for a long time now. Highness bless from servent would prolly even do a better job than that. Just gunna tag Yazmat and @migrito before I flee I do agree that sometimes spam resu is better than spam heal on a pally (or at least was before bright heal...) like for example when burn came out there wasn't much burn cures known and it is a waste of time to heal a burned pally ... anyway, what we all agree at is that bishops nowadays should have 2 sets at least... resu and heal sets... no kidding ;_;
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Pixie
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Post by Pixie on Jun 17, 2016 3:18:59 GMT
I was only 240 i never got to bright heal. I decided to go alchemist because that was my prod alt. Everyone says bright heal is much better than heal though...
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Post by Shori>.< on Jun 17, 2016 11:59:28 GMT
I was only 240 i never got to bright heal. I decided to go alchemist because that was my prod alt. Everyone says bright heal is much better than heal though... I wanna know the mp cost. Mp cost is a bishop's downfall x.x
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Jun 18, 2016 6:32:19 GMT
I was only 240 i never got to bright heal. I decided to go alchemist because that was my prod alt. Everyone says bright heal is much better than heal though... I wanna know the mp cost. Mp cost is a bishop's downfall x.x I never got any problems with MPC. I'm wearing Isurugi too +50% MPC If you play with a party, theres usually a mins that turn your MPC to 1 or an HW that heals MP.
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Post by d0xology on Jun 21, 2016 10:59:26 GMT
I typically res spam the tank and heal the hw/ench and minstrel. The main reason I personally prefer res spam over healing the tank is that if the timing is right, the boss can hit and kill tank and then heal revives them and they are never shown as dead on my screen ( red name/ no hp ), this leaves them with no buffs and I might not notice right away. Obviously this wouldn't happen with a pally who has over 150k hp but most pallys I party are KO type. Another reason is that when a player is saved by revive, they lose all inflicted status ailments. This is especially helpful on later bosses who inflict a lot of status ailments often, making it the better option over me sitting next to them, spamming bright heal.
BUT if someone asks for healing in addition to res, then you should do that.
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Pixie
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Post by Pixie on Jun 22, 2016 8:57:29 GMT
Idk. When you hit a certain level you stop having difficulty with mp cost. Bless always seemed to recover my mp just fine. At low levels tunic reup can do okay.
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Jun 22, 2016 9:57:31 GMT
I typically res spam the tank and heal the hw/ench and minstrel. The main reason I personally prefer res spam over healing the tank is that if the timing is right, the boss can hit and kill tank and then heal revives them and they are never shown as dead on my screen ( red name/ no hp ), this leaves them with no buffs and I might not notice right away. Obviously this wouldn't happen with a pally who has over 150k hp but most pallys I party are KO type. Another reason is that when a player is saved by revive, they lose all inflicted status ailments. This is especially helpful on later bosses who inflict a lot of status ailments often, making it the better option over me sitting next to them, spamming bright heal. BUT if someone asks for healing in addition to res, then you should do that. Best thing to spam on a KO pally is res level 1... but this thread is all about healing a none KO type pally...
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Post by Almas on Jun 22, 2016 11:26:48 GMT
Another reason as to why revival spam is so popular is because of the rise of high damage class that doesn't require healing. Monk? Assassin?
But tbh we shouldn't just put the blame on bishop. Can't really blame bishop if your tank is kinda meh. You know it's hard to spam revival, watch out for hp of minstrels/hw behind the frontliner.
I still heal people in party though. But not as much tbh, don't see the need. I use bright heal when I see paralyze or stun, other than that, I try to ignore. :'v I believe people carry their own vaccines anyway. xD
Some people are sometimes just really bad with their classes. Not just bishop.
2 scenarios of frontliners not really requiring heals much. Fairly easy bosses though.
I guess it all depends on the boss too, I can't imagine how hard are you gonna he spamming your heal at Sauro 350. Miss one heal = tank loses all buffs. Boss kills everyone else.
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