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Post by dorian on Mar 13, 2016 4:27:00 GMT
thanks for the response, am I getting this correct... if I have the max aspd for throwing then it would be useless to add more agi? im just confuse The answer should be both yes and no. It depends on your perspective. If you are care more about evasion, agi is necessary until 256. If you want agi just for aspd, that values are enough. Its not really the basic concept of evasion, its the idea of tanking that should be important when deducing how much agi you should have. in reality cap trigger does help but its more beneficial and stat distribution savy to add more vit if the idea is to tank. Not only does it comp the evasion being a bit lower proc, but also the magic and crits that may land aswell. Even boss area effects (those lil annoying things that are around the stage that just pick and pick at hp >> . Also makes using hp% pots alot more beneficial, and defence to ofc.... Just, seems like vit should be the go to for tanking... ;-;
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Post by mokie on Mar 13, 2016 4:39:29 GMT
The answer should be both yes and no. It depends on your perspective. If you are care more about evasion, agi is necessary until 256. If you want agi just for aspd, that values are enough. Its not really the basic concept of evasion, its the idea of tanking that should be important when deducing how much agi you should have. in reality cap trigger does help but its more beneficial and stat distribution savy to add more vit if the idea is to tank. Not only does it comp the evasion being a bit lower proc, but also the magic and crits that may land aswell. Even boss area effects (those lil annoying things that are around the stage that just pick and pick at hp >> . Also makes using hp% pots alot more beneficial, and defence to ofc.... Just, seems like vit should be the go to for tanking... ;-; In my opinion, 256 agi helps alot. Something around 80-85% becomes 90-95% might not be so much in term of percentage, but it is actual feel one half to one third of damage receive. Having vit untill hp being around 20k should be enough.
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Post by mokie on Mar 13, 2016 4:51:13 GMT
One more reason about hp is when you have to much hp, you will lose more hp when re-buff shadow walk. I can't believe that high avoidance and hp can kill powerful bosses in first one minute, so shadow walk will consume your hp for sure. And, the second shadow walk is last long only 20sec. That means assassin will lose 20% hp every 20sec if you're keeping use shadow walk after first minutes.
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Post by AnTz on Mar 13, 2016 15:46:32 GMT
Nice guide This is what iruna need. Player with dedication and strong vision about what kind of gameplay he/she want to achieve. Salute to ur friend, Farah Good luck and Keep try & learn something new
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Post by dorian on Mar 13, 2016 18:58:14 GMT
One more reason about hp is when you have to much hp, you will lose more hp when re-buff shadow walk. I can't believe that high avoidance and hp can kill powerful bosses in first one minute, so shadow walk will consume your hp for sure. And, the second shadow walk is last long only 20sec. That means assassin will lose 20% hp every 20sec if you're keeping use shadow walk after first minutes. I dont really understand how that invalidates the defence and the fact youd still have more hp bulk overall. And noted this is why i made the comment about hp%pots like onigiri. And its not necessarily that i believe vit>agi on tanking entirely...i mean it in the sense if you wanted some dps compensating agi cap with some more vit and conserving points it make more sense that way. If you wanted pure tank id opt for both agi/vit investements after your initial needs x.x. but in terms of tanking, while sustaining dps thats an extra 152 compared to a more conservative 20-50 points in vit. Im no way saying its better for pure tanking, but in terms of keeping you up while having the ability to invest in more dmg and being able to "possibly" solo bosses with enuff preparations (ep3). Yes id choose vit>agi. Though noted for pure tank i wouldnt dare try that till later, restating entirely since it be possibly even harder to level. Thats another issue is having all that agi for all its magnificent evasion that it gives, thats going to hinder you early on during lvling. Again....im not saying vit>agi in terms of tanking overall, im saying it in his case since hes not too far off and needs to conserive points, and also being to keep dmg up. For early level it seems pointless becuz it just makes waste to the spread you need for when you start. Theres much more better investments and if you wanted to tank up until the point you could go pure tank id dump more points into vit over capping agi...
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Post by dorian on Mar 13, 2016 19:00:18 GMT
Nice guide This is what iruna need. Player with dedication and strong vision about what kind of gameplay he/she want to achieve. Salute to ur friend, Farah Good luck and Keep try & learn something new Tysm n.n first time so ive got alot to learn, and ill let her know of said salute haha
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Post by mokie on Mar 13, 2016 19:54:00 GMT
One more reason about hp is when you have to much hp, you will lose more hp when re-buff shadow walk. I can't believe that high avoidance and hp can kill powerful bosses in first one minute, so shadow walk will consume your hp for sure. And, the second shadow walk is last long only 20sec. That means assassin will lose 20% hp every 20sec if you're keeping use shadow walk after first minutes. I dont really understand how that invalidates the defence and the fact youd still have more hp bulk overall. And noted this is why i made the comment about hp%pots like onigiri. And its not necessarily that i believe vit>agi on tanking entirely...i mean it in the sense if you wanted some dps compensating agi cap with some more vit and conserving points it make more sense that way. If you wanted pure tank id opt for both agi/vit investements after your initial needs x.x. but in terms of tanking, while sustaining dps thats an extra 152 compared to a more conservative 20-50 points in vit. Im no way saying its better for pure tanking, but in terms of keeping you up while having the ability to invest in more dmg and being able to "possibly" solo bosses with enuff preparations (ep3). Yes id choose vit>agi. Though noted for pure tank i wouldnt dare try that till later, restating entirely since it be possibly even harder to level. Thats another issue is having all that agi for all its magnificent evasion that it gives, thats going to hinder you early on during lvling. Again....im not saying vit>agi in terms of tanking overall, im saying it in his case since hes not too far off and needs to conserive points, and also being to keep dmg up. For early level it seems pointless becuz it just makes waste to the spread you need for when you start. Theres much more better investments and if you wanted to tank up until the point you could go pure tank id dump more points into vit over capping agi... LOL, I do not know why we are ending this way. He just asked about agi. >.< I just answered about agi. Why are we talking about vit now?
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Post by mokie on Mar 13, 2016 20:00:35 GMT
Anyway, I think shadow walk has two sides. It makes assassin so agile, so we do not need much agi. But if we rely on this skill to much, vit will become useless. The solution is still the same. Kill it before one minute gone out. >.<
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Post by dorian on Mar 13, 2016 20:17:51 GMT
He asked if adding more agi was useless. Im simply comparing benefits of vit to agi because with four stat its all about conservation. And adding agi for tanking bosses would hinder so much damage. The point of vit is that, all evasions have a cap and were still in the dark about how much is truly given from green line e.e. i prefer being safe over the over reliance of evasion. What i can say though is we tested lower vit and agi cap before this, farahs initial was of 70vit and agi cap >.< and at yarde we experienced many formalities when farming due to the few flukes that did happen aswell as bosses. All on all she was more comfortable and able to beat all ep3 bosses (for my mq ) with her lower agi and more vit and the minimal difference spoke volumes p.p i was also also answering his question but in relation to its benefits is all....
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Post by godofafro on Mar 14, 2016 7:06:19 GMT
He asked if adding more agi was useless. Im simply comparing benefits of vit to agi because with four stat its all about conservation. And adding agi for tanking bosses would hinder so much damage. The point of vit is that, all evasions have a cap and were still in the dark about how much is truly given from green line e.e. i prefer being safe over the over reliance of evasion. What i can say though is we tested lower vit and agi cap before this, farahs initial was of 70vit and agi cap >.< and at yarde we experienced many formalities when farming due to the few flukes that did happen aswell as bosses. All on all she was more comfortable and able to beat all ep3 bosses (for my mq ) with her lower agi and more vit and the minimal difference spoke volumes p.p i was also also answering his question but in relation to its benefits is all.... Yep, some vit does help, esp when ep3 bosses keep critting often
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Post by Skye on Jan 14, 2017 8:03:02 GMT
My sin was originally following this revision over Flarius' LW build. Considering how many updates have come since this build was posted, how does it stand up against the Flarius LW build now? mokie Thought I'd mention you since I've seen you active in both threads, and I believe you're back to your own version of the LW build now as well.
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Post by mokie on Jan 20, 2017 20:56:12 GMT
My sin was originally following this revision over Flarius' LW build. Considering how many updates have come since this build was posted, how does it stand up against the Flarius LW build now? mokie Thought I'd mention you since I've seen you active in both threads, and I believe you're back to your own version of the LW build now as well. Flarius' LW build is so awesome now because the gear is matching well. The build can spam BS too with proper gear.
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Jan 26, 2017 5:39:43 GMT
This is why i never post my end game solo setup,everyone have their own version of lone wolf, some like tanky solo,some like spams with solo,some like dmg with solo, its a subjective sin in end game of lone wolf, and im currently catching up with cap lvl and apos for now,maybe i will show my lone wolf version when i managed to cap lol,keep up the good work,ur sin represent urself,ur skills,ur gameplay @.@
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