Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 15, 2015 15:57:17 GMT
Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do. If you want to get into that debate it will be a tough fight... First of all, we are talking about soloing bosses (since simprince was talking about that), and casting 3 imperial rays while solo in 10 seconds is just impossible... (even if I am not an expert HW, and unless you are talking about SH and in that case...) especially that for doing any real damage with imperial ray you need to cast another spell before it which should be the weakness of the boss. Second thing... saying that Oath does 400~500k damage is just so much unfair ... a properly geared paladin with the proper build and abusing elements can do past 1m to any boss with any element (and that a one shot in 99% of the bosses released until now) Third thing...sword tempest (and any other class and skills that can be done successively in one second)... yes of course it is better than Paladin's Oath that's for sure... BUT... my dear friend... that's only for low level bosses... because for recent bosses... they might just kill you after your second or third hit... why ? because ... as everyone knows... the lowest the boss HP gets... the dangerous it becomes (some even get elemental change now... like Enina... some others like Dunkelis get a HUGE Def boost... and others get invulnerability shields... booms ... mp deletes... debuffs ... etc etc etc)... while a gladiator might have tough times past 50% of boss HP... a paladin just one hit the **** out of him and skips all those debuffs... booms... shields... mp deletes... etc...etc...etc That's just my little opinion... No debate. ^_^ I'm not discounting anything. Or saying paladin's not great. Just trying to compare. Ya know. Chill. Also I may have been partying with the wrong paladins because I have yet to see 1 do 1m. Js.
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Yazmat
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Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 15, 2015 15:58:41 GMT
If you want to get into that debate it will be a tough fight... First of all, we are talking about soloing bosses (since simprince was talking about that), and casting 3 imperial rays while solo in 10 seconds is just impossible... (even if I am not an expert HW, and unless you are talking about SH and in that case...) especially that for doing any real damage with imperial ray you need to cast another spell before it which should be the weakness of the boss. Second thing... saying that Oath does 400~500k damage is just so much unfair ... a properly geared paladin with the proper build and abusing elements can do past 1m to any boss with any element (and that a one shot in 99% of the bosses released until now) Third thing...sword tempest (and any other class and skills that can be done successively in one second)... yes of course it is better than Paladin's Oath that's for sure... BUT... my dear friend... that's only for low level bosses... because for recent bosses... they might just kill you after your second or third hit... why ? because ... as everyone knows... the lowest the boss HP gets... the dangerous it becomes (some even get elemental change now... like Enina... some others like Dunkelis get a HUGE Def boost... and others get invulnerability shields... booms ... mp deletes... debuffs ... etc etc etc)... while a gladiator might have tough times past 50% of boss HP... a paladin just one hit the **** out of him and skips all those debuffs... booms... shields... mp deletes... etc...etc...etc That's just my little opinion... No debate. ^_^ I'm not discounting anything. Or saying paladin's not great. Just trying to compare. Ya know. Chill. Also I may have been partying with the wrong paladins because I have yet to see 1 do 1m. Js. I do 1m+ on all dark bosses pretty much... less on everything else
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 15, 2015 16:00:34 GMT
No debate. ^_^ I'm not discounting anything. Or saying paladin's not great. Just trying to compare. Ya know. Chill. Also I may have been partying with the wrong paladins because I have yet to see 1 do 1m. Js. I do 1m+ on all dark bosses pretty much... less on everything else I partied once with a Paladin that did 450k to Leviam. Stood there for 10 seconds while the rest of us beat the crap of that lizard man.
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2015 16:24:05 GMT
I do 1m+ on all dark bosses pretty much... less on everything else I partied once with a Paladin that did 450k to Leviam. Stood there for 10 seconds while the rest of us beat the crap of that lizard man. Not a true paladin!
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 15, 2015 16:50:36 GMT
I partied once with a Paladin that did 450k to Leviam. Stood there for 10 seconds while the rest of us beat the crap of that lizard man. Not a true paladin! Okay? Try not to be too defensive. That's the point of the argument. Just saying that it's not practical on all occasions and will not always yeild the best results. And what works for one player may not work for another. But that doesn't mean one is not a 'true' Paladin. He did manage to level it up to 260 so that's just not fair to say. Js.
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Yazmat
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Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 17, 2015 16:17:55 GMT
If you want to get into that debate it will be a tough fight... First of all, we are talking about soloing bosses (since simprince was talking about that), and casting 3 imperial rays while solo in 10 seconds is just impossible... (even if I am not an expert HW, and unless you are talking about SH and in that case...) especially that for doing any real damage with imperial ray you need to cast another spell before it which should be the weakness of the boss. Second thing... saying that Oath does 400~500k damage is just so much unfair ... a properly geared paladin with the proper build and abusing elements can do past 1m to any boss with any element (and that a one shot in 99% of the bosses released until now) Third thing...sword tempest (and any other class and skills that can be done successively in one second)... yes of course it is better than Paladin's Oath that's for sure... BUT... my dear friend... that's only for low level bosses... because for recent bosses... they might just kill you after your second or third hit... why ? because ... as everyone knows... the lowest the boss HP gets... the dangerous it becomes (some even get elemental change now... like Enina... some others like Dunkelis get a HUGE Def boost... and others get invulnerability shields... booms ... mp deletes... debuffs ... etc etc etc)... while a gladiator might have tough times past 50% of boss HP... a paladin just one hit the **** out of him and skips all those debuffs... booms... shields... mp deletes... etc...etc...etc That's just my little opinion... No debate. ^_^ I'm not discounting anything. Or saying paladin's not great. Just trying to compare. Ya know. Chill. Also I may have been partying with the wrong paladins because I have yet to see 1 do 1m. Js. This is me farming Dunkelis x.x Attachments:
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 18, 2015 2:05:59 GMT
Hmm... 10 sec for Yazmat to 1 shot uslith... Some other good 1s to... Prob the best for things like Raton possibly also... you can kill it in less than 10 seconds with a party of 4 high levels. Not trying to discount the new skill just trying to be practical. Also I think 1shotting ushlith would require a buttload of expensive equipment. Doesn't it fail when you get stunned? Also you're vulnerable while casting it? Probably not the wisest thing to do if you're Mq'ing solo. Not 100% sure but I observed this while a Leviam. This pally I pt'ed with dies before completing the skill. Tbh I'd rather tank and let the powerhouses do their jobs when fighting with a party. Ushilth is only 800k HP. I know because I farm him solo mostly nowadays and I can use Jar+Currone gear to 1 hit it so it doesn't really take too much equipment. And you don't even need to be low HP to do it too (he crits so I need to be >60% HP at any given time to prevent him 1 hitting me). i grind him 2 kills per minute, a party can probably only extend it to 3 kill per minute (due to cinematics) but i doubt you could do more than that unless you don't wait for others to come in (everybody just starts the moment they come in, then at best maybe 4 per minute but that's really pushing it). Yes it fails when you get stunned, paralyzed, poisoned, blinded, etc. so you use vaccines/antidotes to prevent it. If the boss is lucky to get you stunned at the right moment, you just need to do the oath again afterwards. I do mostly 1m+ to mobs like baums and easy bosses like Sauro in this vid (also has Ushilth). This damage is still low because I'm still missing some gears and I have yet to level cap (only Lv285 and no dorry yet on the video). I plan to be able to 1hit bosses like Almas by the time I am ready: btw, Leviam is a high level (298), high def boss (around 2900def) per JP wiki, so it will cause Oath damage to be reduced significantly (but still can hit over 1m easily). But then again, other melee classes will have the same problem (unless they have heavy physical penetration).
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