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Post by Cerulean on Jan 8, 2016 2:40:59 GMT
OK now I'm certain a number of you will know as does any1 that knows me just what my feelings pertaining to the ninja class are. Recently I've had a difference of opinion with a certain party as to what I see to be the realities of the ninja class, so I'm making this thread and putting it out there for ppl, those for and those against, to have their say. With agi\crt build your about as safe if not more so than the vit tank builds out there along with being somewhat quicker to an extent to lvl its an easier class to get to a comfortable point to change class, either that or just buy the 100 lvls and pay some1 to kill mio (which is why I continue to say mio should be solo quest) and your at a point of lvling nicely on megas far earlier than other classes where it'll take another 40 lvls or so to get skills needed to do the same. As well as costing a mere fraction of your basic starter set of most classes if you go with the -105%hp set of Schwartz s, g.ring s, curse nail s and magic ring and for cloning possibly s.bangle all up costing less than 3m which will do you quite well till you lvl enough to farm certain bosses to get up spina needed for ganai and other equip to take you the rest of the way. Now for the survivability and affordability of ninja class with the basic standard build and starting set makes this class extremely attractive to people new to the game and those without the patience to go another 40 lvls for full class and another how many more for the skills in most cases to be killing quickly. And yea sure IMO spina is better on simple all out aoe farm but in terms of boss farming there really isn't much competition if you wish to be at it as soon as possible. All these points have essentially led me to some of my recent comments that this class is namely all about making asobmio money. Afterall, with its affordability and high degree of survivability, people new to the game who would otherwise possibly be turned off by time required to lvl to a point sufficient to get good equip and make spina are far more likely to stick it out and thereby giving asobimo a larger pool of people who would potentially pour money into item shop. Now there are a good number of other things I would like to say on this such as poor hunter types being pushed out and rejected in favour of ninja, but on this topic I have said what I need to say and given my conclusions based as ever on logic and rationale. Thank you for hearing me out and I look forward to hearing every1s thoughts and opinions however varying. I understand your point of view, I used to hate ninja and now my main is ninja, there's a lot of piss poor ninjas I'm sure like 70% of ninjas DPslike 4-6k thinking they're hot s**t ya they can solo grind as snail like speed and for them to be a notably decent ninja they're gonna have to put as much effort as any otherclass, and if any cclass was a money spinner I'd probably be bishop/sin/sniper, because a lot of rmts are done by bish class chars because they do prod and need no extra things to self sustain so everything is profit sins/sniper because in my personal experience I leveled my sniper and sin to 240 as Agi/crit and restatted afterwards because no one likes them. The real issue of the whole "solo exp" thing you were talking about yeah they do that cause basically any class outsideof bish/hwiz/pally aren't welcome to grinding, I've been denied countless of times because I have no aoe, hell even classes with aoe like monk still aren't welcome to aoe pts Ihad to rrestat my Geomonk to claw build justto level because parties are rare, at Baum'shwiz don't wanna use freeze cause it "lowers" there DPs but no one cares to think of total party DPs. If there's a problem with what a class can/can't do it's your peers that are the issue I've had close friends refuse to pt me ninja who'sa doc spammer for like 150-170k solo because lack of aoe. Ppl just want classes like pally/sniper/sin/monk/samu/ninja for boss farms but those same people won't ever pt youfor exp, so they all go mins hunter based classes were discriminated against so a lot went nin fail pallys went spec samu because they think that's what they can do to save there game. I've even heard players saying ninja is for players who failed in there class. Yeah there's a lot of bad ninjas but only because other players put them there Edit: also it's a legit class, to be good at it isn't easy that's why there's so many ninjas begging mq
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Post by williamz259 on Jan 8, 2016 5:08:31 GMT
OK now I'm certain a number of you will know as does any1 that knows me just what my feelings pertaining to the ninja class are. Recently I've had a difference of opinion with a certain party as to what I see to be the realities of the ninja class, so I'm making this thread and putting it out there for ppl, those for and those against, to have their say. With agi\crt build your about as safe if not more so than the vit tank builds out there along with being somewhat quicker to an extent to lvl its an easier class to get to a comfortable point to change class, either that or just buy the 100 lvls and pay some1 to kill mio (which is why I continue to say mio should be solo quest) and your at a point of lvling nicely on megas far earlier than other classes where it'll take another 40 lvls or so to get skills needed to do the same. As well as costing a mere fraction of your basic starter set of most classes if you go with the -105%hp set of Schwartz s, g.ring s, curse nail s and magic ring and for cloning possibly s.bangle all up costing less than 3m which will do you quite well till you lvl enough to farm certain bosses to get up spina needed for ganai and other equip to take you the rest of the way. Now for the survivability and affordability of ninja class with the basic standard build and starting set makes this class extremely attractive to people new to the game and those without the patience to go another 40 lvls for full class and another how many more for the skills in most cases to be killing quickly. And yea sure IMO spina is better on simple all out aoe farm but in terms of boss farming there really isn't much competition if you wish to be at it as soon as possible. All these points have essentially led me to some of my recent comments that this class is namely all about making asobmio money. Afterall, with its affordability and high degree of survivability, people new to the game who would otherwise possibly be turned off by time required to lvl to a point sufficient to get good equip and make spina are far more likely to stick it out and thereby giving asobimo a larger pool of people who would potentially pour money into item shop. Now there are a good number of other things I would like to say on this such as poor hunter types being pushed out and rejected in favour of ninja, but on this topic I have said what I need to say and given my conclusions based as ever on logic and rationale. Thank you for hearing me out and I look forward to hearing every1s thoughts and opinions however varying. 1) Ninjas are the most sought out class. yes...but to be a good one is the real question. 2)ppl judge the class mainly because they see the nubs and not "actual" ninjas.(i say this because low lvl ninjas that cant do more than 5k just wanted the class and were too lazy to try out any other class...because i know ninja can be an easy class) 3)not only ninja is the money spinner...how? look at fb groups...ppl pay real money to buy bishops pallys assassins and hw...this proves that not only ninjas are the most sought out class (just proved myself wrong but whatevs). ninja is no longer the easy way out to this game...ppl r paying real money to buy classes other than ninjas. bcuz well...we as humans r lazy...so its bound to happen anyway. 4)ninja is not the easiest to lvl...u urself sai these ninjas do low dmg...so explain how a weak ninja can kill a megaroche/nommar/or yarde any time faster than other classes that can find a pt with members around their lvl. 5)i tried many classes and still main a ninja, and i can easily say that ninja is NOT easy to lvl at all...because u ignore the sheer fact that ninjas r mostly a solo class while i as a pally, and a high wiz foun pts at lvl 140 and up. theres my thoughts of it...thank u for hearing me out n.n
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Post by Kanato on Feb 28, 2016 4:40:52 GMT
I just wanna share my opinion on why i chose the ninja class and why i love it
Whenever i play games i would always want to stand out, i dont ever want to be a norm player where i can do things everyone else can do;i want to be able to do things not every normal player can
Yes, ninja is really easy to solo through mq compared to other class, but it is rly hard to be a gd ninja and hard to lvl it. Thats what makes it so challenging whereas other classes lvl easier with pt
Obviously those players who chose the ninja class just because they think its the easiest class would leave after they found out how hard its is to be a gd ninja with cap lvl(excluding sh ninja)and only very few people will actually spend time and money to polish their ninja
Thats why i love ninja *^* because i'll get a really big sense of achievement when i complete these things not many people can do without sh and is actually pushing me to do better and another reason and is that i dislike parties e.e(i've had many unpleasant memories in pt)
Anyone feels the same like me? o.o/
Not every ninja u see is a bad ninja tht uses sh or hacks...thrs a lot of other ninjas out there working hard to be a better ninja(like me xP)
Those that think ur powerful just because u have sh...pls stop damaging the impression everyone else has on us ninjas and play this game fair and square
us ninjas who chose not to rely on sh for everything is then the real powerful
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Post by Kazu on Mar 6, 2016 10:49:25 GMT
Well, tbh Ninja is not really a bad class, when built correctly it can actually dish out pretty nice damage. In iruna there are 2 kinds of ninjas:
1) The lazy kinds, this is the type of Ninja who lack of knowledge about their class and too lazy to farm his a** to be good. Heck even sometimes high lvled ninja ask help for mq even tho they can solo well with pet.
2) The hard worker ones, they know the pros and cons about their class, always try to be better at the class, and grind his a** off to be a good nin.
So in my opinion, Ninja is actually a good class, it has bad reputation because majority of the nins bring shame to their class (SH, etc)
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 15, 2016 7:46:24 GMT
As for being a "legit class", this is obviously open to debate & a matter of personal taste but, imo the method by which most Clone-Type Nins spawn their clones is based off a bug. imo changing to another gear with MaxHP+ when your HP is full shouldn't generate an "artificial" HP Loss. It's unnatural to me. Why are you getting "hurt" when you're just changing clothes? Is changing clothes a DESPERATE MOVE? With such a name, it seems Iruna devs didn't design the skill with the Armor Swap in mind. How to fix this "bug" is actually quite complicated, I SPECULATE Asobimo will never fix it considering that many people will ragequit. So instead, they try to balance the game by not giving them AoE & adding more stun to bosses. Again, this is just me & my Iruna fanfic.
Now let me make it clear that I'm for exploiting bugs/game mechanics AS YOU REPORT THEM, but I hate hacks that generate unfair advantage.
Now as for them being an income generator for Asobimo, that's good news for all of us! Hopefully because of it, we get to play the game 1 more day.
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Sept 13, 2016 10:28:52 GMT
I'm changing my stance on the Ninja class's Artificial HP reduction mechanic. I've mailed Asobimo about it and was told that it's legitimately part of the game mechanic. So, I support it now too. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post an image or quote them directly. This doesn't mean that I think that the ninja class is balanced in relation to other classes. Asobimo has lots of game balancing to do.
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Oct 22, 2016 5:08:08 GMT
Now that we can do 4 songs Now that we can cure ailments like magic Now that we can cure even stun Now that even everyone looking for 1 of us
All hail to the singer
The Power of Mins (~*o*)~
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Nov 4, 2016 2:49:42 GMT
lacs Ryukengan lock this please. Further fuel isn't needed for current pps lol
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Post by lacs on Nov 4, 2016 4:03:03 GMT
sure locking because it was asked by the creator of the thread, have a great day
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