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Post by Shori>.< on Oct 8, 2015 11:50:38 GMT
Alright so how did Asobimo design the class to make them money? (Assuming I read your title and interpreted the OP correctly) Only things you have countered here are those I haven't even said. I think the only way I'd "shame" myself would be to continue to repeat myself when the other party isn't putting anything constructive in. I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money Its already been stated previously that ASOBIMO did not create ninja to be the way it is currently. Look at the skills, look at the weapon mastery. Did it say Claw? Did it say Special Bow? No, its Shuriken Mastery. So who made the entire agi/crit build? Its obviously the player base. Like Flarius and his solo assasin build, like Tyranull and his counter enchanter build. This agi/crit build obviously originated somewhere but its not from ASOBIMO. So how is it an introduction to the game? Therefore... Ninja: Legit Class or ASOBIMO Money Spinner? Answer: No, cause ASOBIMO can't read the future.
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Oct 8, 2015 11:51:48 GMT
Alright so how did Asobimo design the class to make them money? (Assuming I read your title and interpreted the OP correctly) Only things you have countered here are those I haven't even said. I think the only way I'd "shame" myself would be to continue to repeat myself when the other party isn't putting anything constructive in. I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money Shes asleep and so was i until a moment ago replying to her pm here is just embarrasing urself further shes made her points pretty clear already no need to argue this topic anymore she will probably murder me when she sees this but there is nothing more to be said i cant stop u two from arguing and i know she wont stop until u admit ur wrong so do as u will*poof*
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Oct 8, 2015 12:38:34 GMT
I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money Only things you have countered here are those I haven't even said. I think the only way I'd "shame" myself would be to continue to repeat myself when the other party isn't putting anything constructive in. I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money Its already been stated previously that ASOBIMO did not create ninja to be the way it is currently. Look at the skills, look at the weapon mastery. Did it say Claw? Did it say Special Bow? No, its Shuriken Mastery. So who made the entire agi/crit build? Its obviously the player base. Like Flarius and his solo assasin build, like Tyranull and his counter enchanter build. This agi/crit build obviously originated somewhere but its not from ASOBIMO. So how is it an introduction to the game? Therefore... Ninja: Legit Class or ASOBIMO Money Spinner? Answer: No, cause ASOBIMO can't read the future. Regardless of builds, it doesn't change the fact that the class has the highest survivability in the game, regardless what the description says, that doesn't change that fact, and I honestly don't see them unintentionally creating the class with that potential or that it can solo mq easier than other classes.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Oct 8, 2015 12:45:18 GMT
Only things you have countered here are those I haven't even said. I think the only way I'd "shame" myself would be to continue to repeat myself when the other party isn't putting anything constructive in. I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money Shes asleep and so was i until a moment ago replying to her pm here is just embarrasing urself further shes made her points pretty clear already no need to argue this topic anymore she will probably murder me when she sees this but there is nothing more to be said i cant stop u two from arguing and i know she wont stop until u admit ur wrong so do as u will*poof* She's said what she had to and I said what I had to, anything else would be mere needless repetition from either side. I never intended to carry on after that as I've said what I need to.
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Post by Shori>.< on Oct 8, 2015 13:00:07 GMT
Knights traded possibility of high damage with with high hp by going paladin instead of gladiator. Ninja has higher survivability? Without AoE they also suffer. Pally gulp through pots to live, ninja chomp through vaccines to live. They both can mostly solo their mq. Pally with their AoE, ninja with their DoC. Besides is it wrong to trade possibility of high damage with ability to solo mq?
You are saying things like the class are oh so easy, but they can't live off Schwartz, ghost ring and magical ring forever.
In the first place, you are just saying what you believe is true. That the high survivability of ninja are intentional on ASOBIMO's side, there is no proof. In the end it was all just speculation.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Oct 8, 2015 13:50:57 GMT
Knights traded possibility of high damage with with high hp by going paladin instead of gladiator. Ninja has higher survivability? Without AoE they also suffer. Pally gulp through pots to live, ninja chomp through vaccines to live. They both can mostly solo their mq. Pally with their AoE, ninja with their DoC. Besides is it wrong to trade possibility of high damage with ability to solo mq? You are saying things like the class are oh so easy, but they can't live off Schwartz, ghost ring and magical ring forever. In the first place, you are just saying what you believe is true. That the high survivability of ninja are intentional on ASOBIMO's side, there is no proof. In the end it was all just speculation. So what ur trying to say then is they spent all that time developing the class without understanding what it is capable of?... Also nin need far less vacs or mp pots than pal need mp and hp pots (apart from a couple of freakish exceptions) some bosses on mq I've punched through about 40+ sp rev to manage it where those vacs last wot, 10 min?
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asteg
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Post by asteg on Oct 8, 2015 14:05:24 GMT
Im just skimming at this point...
I need someone to correct me but can you make 3 clones without hp - gear? I know for a fact you can make 1 at most. So if thats right you can make a vit/int/dex ninja and use throwing weap. Actually i think thats m.ninja build..
A "good" paladin wouldn't put ninja down, he/she would try his/her best to be better then the class, not be butthurt because some ppl rather have a ninja then paladin in pt.
Agi/crt build takes no thought to come up with? Nither does vit/dex/int or vit/dex/str
More ppl coming to iruna DOES mean more money for iruna. Would you rather asobimo closed iruna?
Do people come to be a ninja? No. If they wanted to be a ninja they'd play the game iruna made that's only class is 1 of 4 diffrent kinds of ninja.
Are ninjas easy to level? Sure, so is any class if your not lazy.
Is paladin better then ninja? Pft..thats like comparing samurai to gladiator
Is mq easier as ninja? Hahahaha no. Afaik most new bosses stun, im soloing mq on my paladin,im helping my friend rauna on hers, everytime we pt a ninja they die more then i do (not dissing ninjas) as soon as ninja gets stuned their just a high eva low def/hp char without clones...when we get stunned it doesn't rly matter.same with poison only not as much.
Is lvling easier? No, we have aoe,they may be able to grind bosses but we can grind ptd easy
Idk how this got into a ninja vs. Paladin thing but just don't, if u hate ninjas fine, if u hate paladins fine, I'm starting to be embarrassed about being a paladin...so end of thread
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Post by Shori>.< on Oct 8, 2015 14:37:48 GMT
Im just skimming at this point... I need someone to correct me but can you make 3 clones without hp - gear? I know for a fact you can make 1 at most. So if thats right you can make a vit/int/dex ninja and use throwing weap. Actually i think thats m.ninja build.. A "good" paladin wouldn't put ninja down, he/she would try his/her best to be better then the class, not be butthurt because some ppl rather have a ninja then paladin in pt. Agi/crt build takes no thought to come up with? Nither does vit/dex/int or vit/dex/str More ppl coming to iruna DOES mean more money for iruna. Would you rather asobimo closed iruna? Do people come to be a ninja? No. If they wanted to be a ninja they'd play the game iruna made that's only class is 1 of 4 diffrent kinds of ninja. Are ninjas easy to level? Sure, so is any class if your not lazy. Is paladin better then ninja? Pft..thats like comparing samurai to gladiator Is mq easier as ninja? Hahahaha no. Afaik most new bosses stun, im soloing mq on my paladin,im helping my friend rauna on hers, everytime we pt a ninja they die more then i do (not dissing ninjas) as soon as ninja gets stuned their just a high eva low def/hp char without clones...when we get stunned it doesn't rly matter.same with poison only not as much. Is lvling easier? No, we have aoe,they may be able to grind bosses but we can grind ptd easy Idk how this got into a ninja vs. Paladin thing but just don't, if u hate ninjas fine, if u hate paladins fine, I'm starting to be embarrassed about being a paladin...so end of thread Lol sorry, that wasn't meant to be a ninja vs paladin post. I was comparing the knights that choose pally (higher hp lower damage) over glady (higher atk lower hp) to those that choose ninja (higher survivability lower dps, no aoe) over other classes. They're similar in a way.
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asteg
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Post by asteg on Oct 8, 2015 14:54:17 GMT
Was a pally vs. Ninja topic, didint mean you post o.o
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Post by Crysta| on Oct 8, 2015 16:16:36 GMT
Alright so how did Asobimo design the class to make them money? (Assuming I read your title and interpreted the OP correctly) Only things you have countered here are those I haven't even said. I think the only way I'd "shame" myself would be to continue to repeat myself when the other party isn't putting anything constructive in. I don't see the point in a class that can so easily solo mq, if not as a form of introduction to potentially get more ppl invested in the game. More ppl invested in the game=more money I don't consider using a pet as solo, though if you were then there are lots of classes that can easily solo mq.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Oct 8, 2015 16:34:59 GMT
I need someone to correct me but can you make 3 clones without hp - gear? I know for a fact you can make 1 at most. So if thats right you can make a vit/int/dex ninja and use throwing weap. Actually i think thats m.ninja build.. Bushin ni jutsu (sp) is automatic 3 clones (2 if para) regardless of HP. More MP expensive than Desperate move (2 clones, has to be 10% or less HP) but no HP requirement. I'm still not sure what this thread is about, but let's try to minimize tangents, and/or the "who's arguing what" posts...
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Smile
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Post by Smile on Oct 8, 2015 19:38:01 GMT
I'd like to add something, here. I've played ninja since lv 200, now 226. I actually found levelling easier as Hwiz prior to becoming Ninja; bosses were sooo much easier for me to solo as Hwiz, too. Ninja DOES require skill, that's a fact. A brainless twit couldn't clone, they wouldn't know about gear switching, vacs, etc. It also requires a little insight for which bosses stun, which don't and other abilities said boss has. Yes, they survive pretty long; but they have to constantly be recloning to do so. If ANY class is crazy op in terms of survival, I'd say Assassin with full buffs active. 1k+ Eva buffed way before a Ninja hits that mark.
In terms of levelling, any AoE class has the advantage. Hwiz from 140, Pally from 160, Bish from 180.. They all DOMINATE a Ninja in terms of xp/hr. And 9 times outta 10, they survive longer. Ninja isn't easy, it does actually take a little common sense to understand everything about the class; as does every other class. I've played almost every class and I find Ninja to be the most annoying and time consuming to level. And, in all honesty, any class with an AoE will level faster than a speedhack Ninja.
Back to the initial post, I disagree. I cannot see how Asobimo could be making money from 1 class. The items in the shop are more about the character itself, not class. There are no items at all that give a greater advantage to Ninja than any other class. It just doesn't work out at all.
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Post by mokie on Oct 8, 2015 23:24:23 GMT
I'd like to add something, here. I've played ninja since lv 200, now 226. I actually found levelling easier as Hwiz prior to becoming Ninja; bosses were sooo much easier for me to solo as Hwiz, too. Ninja DOES require skill, that's a fact. A brainless twit couldn't clone, they wouldn't know about gear switching, vacs, etc. It also requires a little insight for which bosses stun, which don't and other abilities said boss has. Yes, they survive pretty long; but they have to constantly be recloning to do so. If ANY class is crazy op in terms of survival, I'd say Assassin with full buffs active. 1k+ Eva buffed way before a Ninja hits that mark. In terms of levelling, any AoE class has the advantage. Hwiz from 140, Pally from 160, Bish from 180.. They all DOMINATE a Ninja in terms of xp/hr. And 9 times outta 10, they survive longer. Ninja isn't easy, it does actually take a little common sense to understand everything about the class; as does every other class. I've played almost every class and I find Ninja to be the most annoying and time consuming to level. And, in all honesty, any class with an AoE will level faster than a speedhack Ninja. Back to the initial post, I disagree. I cannot see how Asobimo could be making money from 1 class. The items in the shop are more about the character itself, not class. There are no items at all that give a greater advantage to Ninja than any other class. It just doesn't work out at all. I just want to argue one point. Assassin is not 1k eva, useless you are agi build. And, if you are agi build, you will be missed some damage.
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Namitsuki
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Post by Namitsuki on Oct 8, 2015 23:36:25 GMT
First and foremost answering your question: Ninja is a legit class. It's not a money "spinner" (btw that's an interesting phrasing). Now to comment on some of the things said here. There are at least more ppl for all this lured to hang around and potentially get hooked on the game giving (as I've said a number of times now) a larger pool of ppl who would potentially put money into the item shop for whatever reason. My points still stand, this class is designed with its basic build to be easier to figure for newer players than with other classes along with its affordability and survivability, those new to iruna would at least cut their teeth with this which for its basic claw build as the majority of nin seem to use and as they do so decide weather they enjoy the game, the class, or want to do more and go back as a different class with they feel better suites them. 1)I thought your argument was nin being designed to bring Asobimo more money. 2)As I've said many times the developers have absolutely no impact on the game economy 3) This handicap requires you to know more English beyond "agi/crt build & -hp equips" you need to learn "pet sets & island" as well as enough English to know what vacc's are. 4) lazy = boring and very unlikely to continue to play, we play games for entertainment after all, it's not very entertaining waiting on a pet to heal you because the boss stunned. Nowhere did I say you bragged about the DPS of ninja, and not every kid playing Iruna watches anime xD The work & prep for those sticking to full classes doesn't feel like work & prep to them, we're simply playing a game and having fun. All the retards who turn to SH are essentially wasting any money they put into the game due to the risk of having their account banned. The pure INT, DEX or STR builds typically use mobs they 1 hit kill to Lvl up. Of course if you view it as having fun, not work, you're looking for friends to Lvl up with not just party members (they are other people, not equipment that you work to acquire). Players who cap typically spend more money in item shop than those who don't. How does being turned off by the time to Lvl = staying with the game thus potentially earning the developers more money? Where did I say, plz do tell me, anything about effect on game economy? That would be the bold part :"it's affordability". Asobimo has no way of influencing the affordability of one class over the others (unless you think they are messing with the drop rate). The class is affordable because it's too popular. Many players buy those equipment, so just as many farm it to sell. Sure schwartz price is lower now because of raids, but it wasnt that high before so it's a moot point. Now to speak of the so called easy build, it wasnt asobimo's intention when they created the class that it would be mostly played as AGI/CRT/XXX (str or dex depending on weapon of choice - oh, and for the most part claw and special bow is the same build, i have no idea why you place them in 2 different categories, the only distinction for several levels is weapon choice until lv 180+ when they can start thinking about a 3rd stat). Looking at ninja's skill i believe the original stat plan was int/dex/something (str or vit i guess - not sure if their skills use crt). The starting armor would be sushiwa instead of schwartz and they wouldnt be walking around with low hp at all times (pretty sure that survival passive skill wont work with hp1). The AGI/CRT build was for the monk class. It was the player base that decided to trade the (probably) higher damage of the intended build (or at least the better use of their skills, because nowadays they dont even bother getting the magic skills) for higher survival using the monk build. Is the class name attention grabbing and meant to attract players? The answer to that is yes. So are the names Paladin (since most people know what that class is), Gladiator (many movies with this kind of character), Assassin, Enchanter, High wizard... When i started playing (it was after the implementation of special classes) i looked at the class list in a wiki and was torn between Assassin, Ninja, Enchanter and Bishop. Mostly because they sounded like cool jobs. Looking into builds and class description was the 2nd part of the decision process. (I decided for Assassin in the end, but as time went on i made all those classes). That is probably the case for most new players: go with a class that sounds cool or that you saw in game being very cool. And with the amount of ninjas around they are more likely to see a ninja then, say, a Sniper. About the easy build again, if you really think about it, very few classes have builds where you really have to put some thinking into it. And you will most likely see people using simpler builds on those classes too. H wizards are INT/DEX/ vit or crt, Bishops are INT/VIT/DEX, Paladins are VIT/DEX/ int or str, Snipers are DEX/CRT/(str? not really sure but sounds about right)... I could go on and talk about how asobimo makes money, but i think the point about ninja being a legitimate class can stand with just what i said previously and this is getting kind of long. Now if anyone plan to rebut my statements, please do so with facts. That means, for instance, not saying anymore about class affordability to make people play unless you know for a fact that asobimo is messing with the drop rate of items needed mostly by ninjas or that they are releasing too many new equipment that are easy to farm and useful only for ninjas, etc.. That's of course just to keep the debate clean and avoid just sounding exasperated because no one sees it the same way you do. On the other hand if anyone wants to sound like that, go ahead. On a last note: as soon as ninja gets stuned their just a high eva low def/hp char without clones... Basically a lower hp, lower eva Assassin XD
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Post by reaperiruna on Dec 29, 2015 1:03:10 GMT
I been pushed away always, mq, grinds etc, im lv 220 assassin and now, they go at me like wanna pt? Because i spam bs and etc etc and im like now u need me after leave me alone? Also most of people should know, sin does huge dmg per sec, ninjas unless by sh cant yes they. Survive longer, but we are more efective in my thinking way
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