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Post by reapred on Jun 12, 2015 17:30:23 GMT
What I am about to share is pretty awesome but without spins like A LOT OF IT. It will take a while to achieve this build you may have already guessed but the build is largely dependent on equips let's get into what you need.
Lamia II Slot
Saltus Up Slot
Brave shield or Sofya glasses slot
Any spec equip with slot(use a mq equip its easier)
xtalls you will need for equips
Lamia II(Dark Element 3-4)
Saltus Up(Vampire Blow)
Brave Shield/sofya glasses(heal lvl 1 xtall)
Spec equip(Atk up by % xtall not sure for this one yet lot of possibilities for this one)
The Class you will need Beast knight
Beast knight has a passive skill called bite this bite steels HP from opponent.
Finally although after all that not really necessary a pet if you have a pet capable of healing use it with this build.
Now I have yet to investigate what abilities go best with this build but needless to say it this build one weakness is mp(the reason for sofyas glasses one cancles weapons effect of-20%mp and 2 its steels small amounts of mp)
So your stat build for vampire build should look something like this.
Max str vit 130 or so agi(Eva purposes) 80-90 crit(depends on your choice of add gear) 15-20int(to somewhat substitute the lack of mp) and 10-20 dex the Dex is for a slight speed boost when casting vampire blow.
An interesting peice of info when beast knight inflincts bleed HP steal gets a slight boosted effect.(noticeable but can not honestly say the percentages perhaps someone with more mathematical abilities then I could check it out)
If you guys have any question let me know/if you know of a way to improve the vampire build let the world know Thx!
For those who are wondering the status of the equipment all of it is available on Iruna wiki. And possibly here in unofficial Iruna forams but I am terrible at navigating this site.
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Post by simprince on Jun 12, 2015 21:36:59 GMT
Bite relies on double atk and so max CRT. Max STR also. Dual blow build with -x SD
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Post by mokie on Jun 12, 2015 22:32:02 GMT
Vampire blow don't have any casting time, so dex is useless. You do not need to waste some status on int neither. I would say str>crt>vit should be the best for your build.
Actually, I am playing str>crt>vit build with sword too. Sometime, I wear special nail to max skill damage. For this build, you will need a lot of crt to raise bite procrate.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 12, 2015 23:05:54 GMT
Yeah but why not just use autoskill like huge cherry blossom, pump autoskill+ with abilities and purple lines so you can use your dps skills instead of using vampire blow. Does that make sense? That is how I would build it at least.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 12, 2015 23:57:38 GMT
Listen guys most of the equips I mentioned have HP absorb passives also the int and Dex is useful not just for vampire blow but the heal xtall lvl 1 and the biggest reason you want to max vit and str is because HP relies largely on Atk Dex also increases Atk slightly so having 10-20 is a good thing next the agi you may think its useless but I dissagree first it basically doubles the speed you already have and gives an Eva bonus. In reality crit is a stat that unless your a ninja should never go past 120 your other stats will suffer making you week especially for a class like beast knight which is literally a class based on balance. Vampire blow is just one HP steel in the set
Saltus up steals HP
Lamia II steals HP
Vampire blow steals HP
Sofya glasses steals mp
Bite skill Steals hp
Brave shield bonus vit/HP/and status immunity
Spec equip with an Atk up xtall
HP steal effects based of 1/3 of overall Atk
All HP steal skills get a noticeable boost when beast knight inflicts bleed.
Vampires are fast/absorb health/immune to status effects(brave shield)/ have supper high Atk and def.
This class does need mp even thou it focases on passive HP steel beast knight has a lot of high cost mana skills 20 int at lvl 123 beast knight will put you just over 1k mp since beast knight uses skills that each take 100-200mp its almost a bare minimum you need the Dex actually boosts quite a few stats so while 10-20 is not a lot having a stat that boosts Atk cspd and hit is pretty useful.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 0:01:53 GMT
Yeah but why not just use autoskill like huge cherry blossom, pump autoskill+ with abilities and purple lines so you can use your dps skills instead of using vampire blow. Does that make sense? That is how I would build it at least. Not a bad idea except that auto skill up is not really needed they spam regardless the vampire blow is more to make the build more realistic plus it is going to be your strongest HP steal The passive HP steals all together steal about 1k-2k health per mass spam Vampire blow especially for those who do 8-15k damage already surpasses that while your not wrong vampire blow is one of the most important assets to build especially since B knight when inflicting bleed increases vampire blows capabilities. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 13, 2015 0:33:42 GMT
Well im not really a fan of vamp blow and im not sure how much damage and heal you get with it so you should know better than I do.
However just consider the trade offs:
You lose 1 slot where you could have put an atk xtal and improved your dps (which also improves your auto heal)
Each time you activate vamp blow you could have activated your dps skill. Not sure how much dps you lose with that compared to your hp gain.
Vamp blow costs mp, auto is free.
Auto does not proc when you use skill.
My logic for survival is to have your hp recovery > damage taken over time, so its either get more recovery than the damage you take and/or kill faster. You can balance both for the sake of sustainability/consistency.
I doubt vamp blow can recover hp more than the damage a boss can hit you.
Btw saltus doesnt really recover hp very well.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 2:31:33 GMT
Well im not really a fan of vamp blow and im not sure how much damage and heal you get with it so you should know better than I do. However just consider the trade offs: You lose 1 slot where you could have put an atk xtal and improved your dps (which also improves your auto heal) Each time you activate vamp blow you could have activated your dps skill. Not sure how much dps you lose with that compared to your hp gain. Vamp blow costs mp, auto is free. Auto does not proc when you use skill. My logic for survival is to have your hp recovery > damage taken over time, so its either get more recovery than the damage you take and/or kill faster. You can balance both for the sake of sustainability/consistency. I doubt vamp blow can recover hp more than the damage a boss can hit you. Btw saltus doesnt really recover hp very well. Saltus up is important for the stacked effect also beast knight is special as I said B knight can bring about blead status this increases the effects of HP steal skills. And vampire blow is to be used in a more desperate situation say a boss does 3k damage(a beast knight is a tank so this is sort of extreme) well B knight does 10k a hit he also has say 15k HP now that means 5 hits and your out with the passive it becomes 8-10 hits and your dead so the vampire blow(1/3 of your own Atk+bleed bonus) you basically get a few free hits from that boss throw in a pet to the equation and that boss is no longer an issue I believe I said it in the first post but the passive skills will not be healing more than1-2k per spam you may be able to push it to 5-10k when you get past apostila mq or use certain abilities but with a lvl 120-160 Beast knight its not going to happen(where most casual-active players would be) |
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Post by Namitsuki on Jun 13, 2015 2:45:29 GMT
Listen guys most of the equips I mentioned have HP absorb passives also the int and Dex is useful not just for vampire blow but the heal xtall lvl 1 and the biggest reason you want to max vit and str is because HP relies largely on Atk Dex also increases Atk slightly so having 10-20 is a good thing next the agi you may think its useless but I dissagree first it basically doubles the speed you already have and gives an Eva bonus. In reality crit is a stat that unless your a ninja should never go past 120 your other stats will suffer making you week especially for a class like beast knight which is literally a class based on balance. Vampire blow is just one HP steel in the set Saltus up steals HP Lamia II steals HP Vampire blow steals HP Sofya glasses steals mp Bite skill Steals hp Brave shield bonus vit/HP/and status immunity Spec equip with an Atk up xtall HP steal effects based of 1/3 of overall Atk All HP steal skills get a noticeable boost when beast knight inflicts bleed. Vampires are fast/absorb health/immune to status effects(brave shield)/ have supper high Atk and def. This class does need mp even thou it focases on passive HP steel beast knight has a lot of high cost mana skills 20 int at lvl 123 beast knight will put you just over 1k mp since beast knight uses skills that each take 100-200mp its almost a bare minimum you need the Dex actually boosts quite a few stats so while 10-20 is not a lot having a stat that boosts Atk cspd and hit is pretty useful. Just wanted to point a few things out. That heal xtal is called Veltria (unless there is a new one that I don't know about) and it's actually Mini heal lv 1. Why i'm saying this? Because, while heal has a very fast cast/cooldown, mini heal takes forever. It needs -4 sec skill delay to be spammable and the amount of DEX you have planned doesn't cover it. You also seam to have confused HP recovery with HP absorb. One of them helps you kill (HP absorb) while the other only helps you to survive (HP recovery). So, what you actually have is: Saltus - HP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Lamia - Damage absorb autoskill (this will be based on your ATK and actual damage dealt) Vampire Blow - Damage absorb skill (not sure on what this is based, but wont work at the same time as the autoskills) Sofys Glasses - MP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Bite - Steal HP (not familiar with it yet, so lets roll with your definition) Brave Shield (another one i'm not familiar with, so no changes) simprince said bite relies on double attack, so if you want it to proc as much as possible you should max your double attack rate (that means you need to max CRT). Also note that to take the most advantage from Saltus and Sofys you might want to have max attack speed since they trigger on attack. |
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 2:46:19 GMT
So I will give you a rough example of how much bleed effects the HP steal bonus(B knight exclusive skill)
So at the time I was using a bloody scythe different from my current upgrade Lamia II
anyway my Atk output kinda sucked because my goal at the time was not The vampire build
So I inflict the bleed status on sand dragon do about 650-700 damage(I was crit vit agi build only 50 str at the time)
Well I get 301-325 HP back before bleed effect it was 230-270 HP steal with vampire blow. Hopefully someone can take the percentages of the boost from that as I said its noticeable but I don't know the math for it)
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 2:54:56 GMT
Listen guys most of the equips I mentioned have HP absorb passives also the int and Dex is useful not just for vampire blow but the heal xtall lvl 1 and the biggest reason you want to max vit and str is because HP relies largely on Atk Dex also increases Atk slightly so having 10-20 is a good thing next the agi you may think its useless but I dissagree first it basically doubles the speed you already have and gives an Eva bonus. In reality crit is a stat that unless your a ninja should never go past 120 your other stats will suffer making you week especially for a class like beast knight which is literally a class based on balance. Vampire blow is just one HP steel in the set Saltus up steals HP Lamia II steals HP Vampire blow steals HP Sofya glasses steals mp Bite skill Steals hp Brave shield bonus vit/HP/and status immunity Spec equip with an Atk up xtall HP steal effects based of 1/3 of overall Atk All HP steal skills get a noticeable boost when beast knight inflicts bleed. Vampires are fast/absorb health/immune to status effects(brave shield)/ have supper high Atk and def. This class does need mp even thou it focases on passive HP steel beast knight has a lot of high cost mana skills 20 int at lvl 123 beast knight will put you just over 1k mp since beast knight uses skills that each take 100-200mp its almost a bare minimum you need the Dex actually boosts quite a few stats so while 10-20 is not a lot having a stat that boosts Atk cspd and hit is pretty useful. Just wanted to point a few things out. That heal xtal is called Veltria (unless there is a new one that I don't know about) and it's actually Mini heal lv 1. Why i'm saying this? Because, while heal has a very fast cast/cooldown, mini heal takes forever. It needs -4 sec skill delay to be spammable and the amount of DEX you have planned doesn't cover it. You also seam to have confused HP recovery with HP absorb. One of them helps you kill (HP absorb) while the other only helps you to survive (HP recovery). So, what you actually have is: Saltus - HP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Lamia - Damage absorb autoskill (this will be based on your ATK and actual damage dealt) Vampire Blow - Damage absorb skill (not sure on what this is based, but wont work at the same time as the autoskills) Sofys Glasses - MP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Bite - Steal HP (not familiar with it yet, so lets roll with your definition) Brave Shield (another one i'm not familiar with, so no changes) simprince said bite relies on double attack, so if you want it to proc as much as possible you should max your double attack rate (that means you need to max CRT). Also note that to take the most advantage from Saltus and Sofys you might want to have max attack speed since they trigger on attack. Your right about a few things the heal xtall is in all honesty a supposed to be a support skill in case your in a party and a member dies. Not to be used as a spam Also Beast knight has a passive where vit also acts as Atk speed up which is why I only do 100-130 agi I disagree with maxing crit with any class but ninja really 120 is all you ever need need more use a crit ability lvl 5 don't waste valuable stat points because once you hit apostila you can just train crit so yea my personal advise about crit |
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Post by Namitsuki on Jun 13, 2015 2:55:27 GMT
So I will give you a rough example of how much bleed effects the HP steal bonus(B knight exclusive skill) So at the time I was using a bloody scythe different from my current upgrade Lamia II anyway my Atk output kinda sucked because my goal at the time was not The vampire build So I inflict the bleed status on sand dragon do about 650-700 damage(I was crit vit agi build only 50 str at the time) Well I get 301-325 HP back before bleed effect it was 230-270 HP steal with vampire blow. Hopefully someone can take the percentages of the boost from that as I said its noticeable but I don't know the math for it) Looks like a 20~30% increase The math: 230 . x = 301 x = 301/230 x = 1,30865.... 270 . x = 325 x = 325/270 x = 1,2037... |
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Post by Namitsuki on Jun 13, 2015 3:13:27 GMT
Just wanted to point a few things out. That heal xtal is called Veltria (unless there is a new one that I don't know about) and it's actually Mini heal lv 1. Why i'm saying this? Because, while heal has a very fast cast/cooldown, mini heal takes forever. It needs -4 sec skill delay to be spammable and the amount of DEX you have planned doesn't cover it. You also seam to have confused HP recovery with HP absorb. One of them helps you kill (HP absorb) while the other only helps you to survive (HP recovery). So, what you actually have is: Saltus - HP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Lamia - Damage absorb autoskill (this will be based on your ATK and actual damage dealt) Vampire Blow - Damage absorb skill (not sure on what this is based, but wont work at the same time as the autoskills) Sofys Glasses - MP recovery autoskill (trigger on attack) Bite - Steal HP (not familiar with it yet, so lets roll with your definition) Brave Shield (another one i'm not familiar with, so no changes) simprince said bite relies on double attack, so if you want it to proc as much as possible you should max your double attack rate (that means you need to max CRT). Also note that to take the most advantage from Saltus and Sofys you might want to have max attack speed since they trigger on attack. Your right about a few things the heal xtall is in all honesty a supposed to be a support skill in case your in a party and a member dies. Not to be used as a spam Also Beast knight has a passive where vit also acts as Atk speed up which is why I only do 100-130 agi I disagree with maxing crit with any class but ninja really 120 is all you ever need need more use a crit ability lvl 5 don't waste valuable stat points because once you hit apostila you can just train crit so yea my personal advise about crit So, what you mean is to leave crt to be maxed last, after apostolia? If that is it it's not really the same thing as you are actually saying (looks like dont go over 120 crt at all) and its also not the same case we are talking about. We are not talking about crt to increase critical rate or even damage, but to increase the double attack rate, in which crt abilities wont help (at least not much). That's not to say it can't be left for later (say, after getting apostolia) but it's something that should be considered (not saying you have to max it, just that you should think if you might wanna max it later or not). So now I understand why the agi was so low, what i wanted to say was just that you could save those points you put on dex and place them somewhere else where it might be more helpful to you (your atk or survival stats for instance) because they wont make much of a difference on cooldown time. Btw, I agree with you on the crt thing, get enough for a nice crit rate than go for your other stats because at lower levels they make more of a difference than the crt. |
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 3:18:55 GMT
Your right about a few things the heal xtall is in all honesty a supposed to be a support skill in case your in a party and a member dies. Not to be used as a spam Also Beast knight has a passive where vit also acts as Atk speed up which is why I only do 100-130 agi I disagree with maxing crit with any class but ninja really 120 is all you ever need need more use a crit ability lvl 5 don't waste valuable stat points because once you hit apostila you can just train crit so yea my personal advise about crit So, what you mean is to leave crt to be maxed last, after apostolia? If that is it it's not really the same thing as you are actually saying (looks like dont go over 120 crt at all) and its also not the same case we are talking about. We are not talking about crt to increase critical rate or even damage, but to increase the double attack rate, in which crt abilities wont help (at least not much). That's not to say it can't be left for later (say, after getting apostolia) but it's something that should be considered (not saying you have to max it, just that you should think if you might wanna max it later or not). So now I understand why the agi was so low, what i wanted to say was just that you could save those points you put on dex and place them somewhere else where it might be more helpful to you (your atk or survival stats for instance) because they wont make much of a difference on cooldown time. Btw, I agree with you on the crt thing, get enough for a nice crit rate than go for your other stats because at lower levels they make more of a difference than the crt. For the agi I don't think its a good idea to get rid of the 100-130 agi to put in other stats cause as I said vit passive only increases Atk speed not Eva which increases survivability by a lot. Also with Dex 10-20 might not seem like much and you could prob get Reid of it with a stelphy book later on but between lvl 120-160 trust me you want the Dex because of the increases Atk and better accuracy. The biggest reason thou is critical atks don't activate passive HP steal for Lamia II |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jun 13, 2015 3:30:01 GMT
Saltus up is important for the stacked effect also beast knight is special as I said B knight can bring about blead status this increases the effects of HP steal skills. And vampire blow is to be used in a more desperate situation say a boss does 3k damage(a beast knight is a tank so this is sort of extreme) well B knight does 10k a hit he also has say 15k HP now that means 5 hits and your out with the passive it becomes 8-10 hits and your dead so the vampire blow(1/3 of your own Atk+bleed bonus) you basically get a few free hits from that boss throw in a pet to the equation and that boss is no longer an issue I believe I said it in the first post but the passive skills will not be healing more than1-2k per spam you may be able to push it to 5-10k when you get past apostila mq or use certain abilities but with a lvl 120-160 Beast knight its not going to happen(where most casual-active players would be) 3k damage from a boss is not extreme, I would consider this as normal damage. I can name alot of bosses that can do a whole lot better than that. But yes, I guess vamp blow can be fun for casual players, I just reckon this is not what pro players would do. |
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