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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 17:00:06 GMT
Including class BUFFs, which class can dish out the most damage over time without use of Skills (again, not including buff as "skill)? Quoting myself to show some calculations for Spec Bow vs Claw irunaonline.boards.net/post/112265This shows, a little, of how builds produce their respective damage, especially in light of CRT contribution, vis a vis other ATK source if not CRT (i.e. Spec Bow has an edge since CRT is already a source of ATK on top of every thing else CRT does for every one) Been toying with: Glad STR/130agi/CRT/DEX Sniper Spec Bow (already have this) AGI/CRT/DEX (after overcap AGI/CRT) Sniper Normal bow (DEX/100 Agi/CRT/STR (after overcap DEX) May outdmg spec bow due to better bow availability (like Diablos?) NIN (already have) AGI/CRT/DEX (after overcap AGI/CRT) or STR if Nail Assasin? No clue; I don't even know what their weapon bonus is, lol Monk? also no clue
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Post by Capicuo on Apr 3, 2015 17:50:41 GMT
Including class BUFFs, which class can dish out the most damage over time without use of Skills (again, not including buff as "skill)? Quoting myself to show some calculations for Spec Bow vs Claw irunaonline.boards.net/post/112265This shows, a little, of how builds produce their respective damage, especially in light of CRT contribution, vis a vis other ATK source if not CRT (i.e. Spec Bow has an edge since CRT is already a source of ATK on top of every thing else CRT does for every one) Been toying with: Glad STR/130agi/CRT/DEX Sniper Spec Bow (already have this) AGI/CRT/DEX (after overcap AGI/CRT) Sniper Normal bow (DEX/100 Agi/CRT/STR (after overcap DEX) May outdmg spec bow due to better bow availability (like Diablos?) NIN (already have) AGI/CRT/DEX (after overcap AGI/CRT) or STR if Nail Assasin? No clue; I don't even know what their weapon bonus is, lol Monk? also no clue Do u want a melee physical class? Cuz i think enchanter is something to take on account too
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Apr 3, 2015 18:01:28 GMT
Special bow will have the highest output especially on a sniper. Base is AGI and CRT but at the same time, CRT is a damage multiplier anyway lol. Maxing/over capping those two with a few bow damage job bonuses stacking would be crazy. Adding an interfike or some sort of interval cut would make it even more deadly.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 18:03:10 GMT
Do u want a melee physical class? Cuz i think enchanter is something to take on account too ANY class/build combo that can compare on AA
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 18:05:23 GMT
Special bow will have the highest output especially on a sniper. Base is AGI and CRT but at the same time, CRT is a damage multiplier anyway lol. Maxing/over capping those two with a few bow damage job bonuses stacking would be crazy. Adding an interfike or some sort of interval cut would make it even more deadly. My thinking too (and have one already) but was wondering how others compare.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 18:15:56 GMT
Most likely Ninjas with Empe II or Sauro fangs LV 2 (when it releases). Interfike Ninjas with sauro fangs would probably do serious damage
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 18:21:29 GMT
Most likely Ninjas with Empe II or Sauro fangs LV 2 (when it releases). Interfike Ninjas with sauro fangs would probably do serious damage Well, neither of those are limited to NIN, I don't think? In fact, would work better for Monk with their Claw bonus?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 18:26:56 GMT
Most likely Ninjas with Empe II or Sauro fangs LV 2 (when it releases). Interfike Ninjas with sauro fangs would probably do serious damage Well, neither of those are limited to NIN, I don't think? In fact, would work better for Monk with their Claw bonus? No weapon is, iruna is universal with any weapon so you aren't restricted with weapons to use, heck even a ninja can use swords if they wanted to. Claw mastery would give monks the upper edge but only by a little, and ninjas have clones and ni-rengeki to work with so this is what may give them an edge with it compared to monks.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 18:29:42 GMT
Well, neither of those are limited to NIN, I don't think? In fact, would work better for Monk with their Claw bonus? No weapon is, iruna is universal with any weapon so you aren't restricted with weapons to use, heck even a ninja can use swords if they wanted to. Claw mastery would give monks the upper edge but only by a little, and ninjas have clones and ni-rengeki to work with so this is what may give them an edge with it compared to monks. That's what I meant, and I was told Ni-rengeki does not work with Empe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 18:34:05 GMT
No weapon is, iruna is universal with any weapon so you aren't restricted with weapons to use, heck even a ninja can use swords if they wanted to. Claw mastery would give monks the upper edge but only by a little, and ninjas have clones and ni-rengeki to work with so this is what may give them an edge with it compared to monks. That's what I meant, and I was told Ni-rengeki does not work with Empe Ni-rengeki does work with sauro fangs though, so ehhh maybe just maybe lol. Up to people who want to find out beforehand, tho i've seen them in action through a couple jp vids, ill see if i can find it just a sec...
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 3, 2015 18:35:38 GMT
That's what I meant, and I was told Ni-rengeki does not work with Empe Ni-rengeki does work with sauro fangs though, so ehhh maybe just maybe lol. Up to people who want to find out beforehand, tho i've seen them in action through a couple jp vids, ill see if i can find it just a sec... That's ok, LOL. Let's limit this to what's Currently available in Class/Build
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 18:38:25 GMT
Ni-rengeki does work with sauro fangs though, so ehhh maybe just maybe lol. Up to people who want to find out beforehand, tho i've seen them in action through a couple jp vids, ill see if i can find it just a sec... That's ok, LOL. Let's limit this to what's Currently available in Class/Build Oh, well in that case AA snipers would do the most damage dealt auto style imo as of right now then lol xD
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Post by Ryukengan on Apr 7, 2015 1:57:25 GMT
Right now (really only for now): AGI/CRT/DEX/RD Gladiator
Mirage s Oritius or Vatendeth (you did not specify against what mob) Ultimi s Dorry Vanregal s Raton (Seperation Arrow s Raton for the crazy variant) Thimble s Ganei/WoL (Disaster Stone s Ganei/Wol for the crazy variant; WoL may inhibit Double Attack but from my experience it triggers when Double Attack does not trigger, thus increasing overall DPS)
Berserk (this is a buff), Warcry, Penetration
Enjoy 20k+ autos , I really do not recommend the crazy variant since you will kill yourself fast unless you get healed constantly for more than the incoming damage plus about 500-1000 for every attack.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 7, 2015 4:29:58 GMT
RD?
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Post by ManaKhe on Apr 7, 2015 6:33:35 GMT
I'd say this order:
Gladiator: STR CRT VIT. They don't need AGI to auto attack. Well maybe like 19 or something like that for Hime Weapons(if I remember right). Ninja: AGI CRT STR. Empedracle+Passive Twice attack+Dance of Clones Sniper: AGI CRT DEX. Fast Shot for Berserk speed. Otherwise very high damage Monk: AGI CRT INT VIT. Rush+Shell Break+Geobreaker+Only class with Claw Mastery (Tied with Monk)Enchanter: INT DEX AGI VIT. Magic Based auto attacker. Gets Berserk speed with Boost Ring/Reduce Bangle because ATK doesn't matter
Of those Sniper is the only one that probably won't stay that way at higher levels. Everyone else can, however Enchanters are much less likely too since Magic Blade is a million times easier to gear for. Glads also will probably add DEX and Sword Pillar spam when not fighting bosses.
Assassins lack Berserk speed so will ultimately fall behind all the other classes.
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