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Post by simprince on Mar 23, 2015 19:42:04 GMT
Which class and build generally has the highest damage output per minute? I know equips and so on have a huge influence but let's assume with average equips. Forget about survivability and assume that every class is at max level possible. Pick some common mobs/bosses for example, which class can output damage the most effectively and quickly?
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 23, 2015 19:58:09 GMT
Assassin/Geo Monk and then Sniper not too far behind. It's better to just say these 3 since they are close and all do high enough damage that the difference doesn't matter. Assassin is probably the easiest to gear of all 3(I've seen an Assassin in full BC xtals do 40-80k Backstabs and he was in the lower 200s), they also start doing their really good damage earlier than the other 3(they get Backstab lvl 2 at level 160). If you want a class that can one shot tons of early bosses Assassin is way to go for now, it also has the highest capacity for soloing bosses of these 3.
Assassin:Backstab Spam build. CRT INT DEX STR Monk:Geo spam Build INT CRT DEX STR Sniper:Crossfire/Area Rain spam build DEX STR CRT
The only class that comes close to these 3 is Gladiator and it's still a decent gap. Also Hwiz can do really high bursts of damage.
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Post by simprince on Mar 23, 2015 20:04:13 GMT
Assassin/Geo Monk and then Sniper not too far behind. It's better to just say these 3 since they are close and all do high enough damage that the difference doesn't matter. Assassin is probably the easiest to gear of all 3(I've seen an Assassin in full BC xtals do 40-80k Backstabs and he was in the lower 200s), they also start doing their really good damage earlier than the other 3(they get Backstab lvl 2 at level 160). If you want a class that can one shot tons of early bosses Assassin is way to go for now, it also has the highest capacity for soloing bosses of these 3. Assassin:Backstab Spam build. CRT INT DEX STR Monk:Geo spam Build INT CRT DEX STR Sniper:Crossfire/Area Rain spam build DEX STR CRT The only class that comes close to these 3 is Gladiator and it's still a decent gap. Also Hwiz can do really high bursts of damage. Thank you for your input. Given that, how come these 3 classes are so rare in the game? I have been in about 5 different guilds, each has >50 members. I only see 2 monks, 1 assassin, 3 snipers, whereas a lot more ninja.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 23, 2015 20:37:42 GMT
Assassin/Geo Monk and then Sniper not too far behind. It's better to just say these 3 since they are close and all do high enough damage that the difference doesn't matter. Assassin is probably the easiest to gear of all 3(I've seen an Assassin in full BC xtals do 40-80k Backstabs and he was in the lower 200s), they also start doing their really good damage earlier than the other 3(they get Backstab lvl 2 at level 160). If you want a class that can one shot tons of early bosses Assassin is way to go for now, it also has the highest capacity for soloing bosses of these 3. Assassin:Backstab Spam build. CRT INT DEX STR Monk:Geo spam Build INT CRT DEX STR Sniper:Crossfire/Area Rain spam build DEX STR CRT The only class that comes close to these 3 is Gladiator and it's still a decent gap. Also Hwiz can do really high bursts of damage. Thank you for your input. Given that, how come these 3 classes are so rare in the game? I have been in about 5 different guilds, each has >50 members. I only see 2 monks, 1 assassin, 3 snipers, whereas a lot more ninja. Most, if not all, of those NINs are melee NIN. I would wager that a Magic Nin is rarer than those 3 classes Combined, lol Degree of difficulty to play/get to a "playable level". Once you hit L100, switch to Nin, and as long as you can hit -90%HP and a pet even with crap gear, you can leapfrog to L200 soloing MQ. Until NIN get AoE dmg though, they get weaker at higher levels, vis a vis other classes that AoE. Nin survivability is pretty high though esp compared to Monk and Sniper (not sure how it compares to Sin w their eva)
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Mar 23, 2015 20:41:42 GMT
Assassin and sniper would be your best bet
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Post by simprince on Mar 23, 2015 21:19:07 GMT
Thank you for your input. Given that, how come these 3 classes are so rare in the game? I have been in about 5 different guilds, each has >50 members. I only see 2 monks, 1 assassin, 3 snipers, whereas a lot more ninja. Most, if not all, of those NINs are melee NIN. I would wager that a Magic Nin is rarer than those 3 classes Combined, lol Degree of difficulty to play/get to a "playable level". Once you hit L100, switch to Nin, and as long as you can hit -90%HP and a pet even with crap gear, you can leapfrog to L200 soloing MQ. Until NIN get AoE dmg though, they get weaker at higher levels, vis a vis other classes that AoE. Nin survivability is pretty high though esp compared to Monk and Sniper (not sure how it compares to Sin w their eva) That explains. I see so many ninja at their lvl 3x soloing dark warriors, pass MQ boss on their own. This is almost impossible for dex/str sniper build early.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 23, 2015 22:14:15 GMT
Assassin/Geo Monk and then Sniper not too far behind. It's better to just say these 3 since they are close and all do high enough damage that the difference doesn't matter. Assassin is probably the easiest to gear of all 3(I've seen an Assassin in full BC xtals do 40-80k Backstabs and he was in the lower 200s), they also start doing their really good damage earlier than the other 3(they get Backstab lvl 2 at level 160). If you want a class that can one shot tons of early bosses Assassin is way to go for now, it also has the highest capacity for soloing bosses of these 3. Assassin:Backstab Spam build. CRT INT DEX STR Monk:Geo spam Build INT CRT DEX STR Sniper:Crossfire/Area Rain spam build DEX STR CRT The only class that comes close to these 3 is Gladiator and it's still a decent gap. Also Hwiz can do really high bursts of damage. Thank you for your input. Given that, how come these 3 classes are so rare in the game? I have been in about 5 different guilds, each has >50 members. I only see 2 monks, 1 assassin, 3 snipers, whereas a lot more ninja. Ninjas are Ninjas and are automatically popular in any game. The popularity in this game is ridiculous compared to most though. Imagine if they were OP(they are pretty good now still though). Assassins, Snipers, and Monks require a reset to level fast to get to the levels that they get good. After that Assassin is still hard to level, Geo Monks are better in a pt but do really good AOE damage so they get invites. Sniper at 240+...well...They kill faster than an entire party by themselves lol. If you go Ninja you don't need a reset at all and can solo grind without using too many pots and can solo MQ for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 22:17:30 GMT
Depends lol, I could say HW does the quickest damage on nommars with blizzard + imperial 200k+ damage in less than 15 seconds. In general I'd have to go with Assasins/Snipers
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 24, 2015 7:32:42 GMT
Depends lol, I could say HW does the quickest damage on nommars with blizzard + imperial 200k+ damage in less than 15 seconds. In general I'd have to go with Assasins/Snipers xD I pretty much assumed he was referring to bosses mainly. DPS on mobs it's Hwiz/Sniper by a good bit and then Geo Monk. Everyone else(including Bishop but Bishop is the closest) does low AOE DPS compared to them. Hilariously in the right party setup Minstrels can put out crazy damage xD.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 24, 2015 15:34:04 GMT
Depends lol, I could say HW does the quickest damage on nommars with blizzard + imperial 200k+ damage in less than 15 seconds. In general I'd have to go with Assasins/Snipers xD I pretty much assumed he was referring to bosses mainly. DPS on mobs it's Hwiz/Sniper by a good bit and then Geo Monk. Everyone else(including Bishop but Bishop is the closest) does low AOE DPS compared to them. Hilariously in the right party setup Minstrels can put out crazy damage xD. Though I Somewhat understand it, I wish they'd cancel the Nemesis penalty on bosses and rares.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 16:07:41 GMT
xD I pretty much assumed he was referring to bosses mainly. DPS on mobs it's Hwiz/Sniper by a good bit and then Geo Monk. Everyone else(including Bishop but Bishop is the closest) does low AOE DPS compared to them. Hilariously in the right party setup Minstrels can put out crazy damage xD. Though I Somewhat understand it, I wish they'd cancel the Nemesis penalty on bosses and rares. i'd hate that, merp lets make bishops the most broken class ever xD
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Mar 24, 2015 16:14:09 GMT
it's all about when they hit their powerspike.
nin's get an automatic powerspike upon switching to ninja, then hit their next spike at 140 and then get nothing else pretty much :v (i'm pretty close to 1 shotting h ents and don't even have proper build)
monks have the next earliest spike at full class (claw type), then hit the threshold at 180 with geobreaker (throwing)
i can't be bothered to elaborate more but i'll assume you get my point.
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Post by simprince on Mar 24, 2015 16:53:48 GMT
I have a hunter with dex/str build to go towards sniper. No plan to buy restat book. Leveling is sooooo slow that I can't level it by one in 2~3 days without MQ. I am only level 7x.
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Post by Mary on Mar 24, 2015 17:37:19 GMT
Which class and build generally has the highest damage output per minute? I know equips and so on have a huge influence but let's assume with average equips. Forget about survivability and assume that every class is at max level possible. Pick some common mobs/bosses for example, which class can output damage the most effectively and quickly? i would say that assassin and monk have high fast damage.Assassin as example that can solo some mobs and bosses faster after getting backstab skill but their survivability so low. 1 shot then die. Monks can do fast cri damage and heal themselves faster but they can't solo some bosses. After geo breaker they detect a lot of damage. Sniper is kinda same as assassin, they can detect high damage with rain arrow and they r useful too High wizards also have high damage and good solo class but they can't attack fast. High ninjas have fast critical damage but they r useless without clones (boring class). I think their normal cri is 20k-2k. Pallys and sumu have very high damage but they r slow.but their survivability is high.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 24, 2015 19:36:50 GMT
xD I pretty much assumed he was referring to bosses mainly. DPS on mobs it's Hwiz/Sniper by a good bit and then Geo Monk. Everyone else(including Bishop but Bishop is the closest) does low AOE DPS compared to them. Hilariously in the right party setup Minstrels can put out crazy damage xD. Though I Somewhat understand it, I wish they'd cancel the Nemesis penalty on bosses and rares. I understand why it's wanted to take it away but I'm personally for it staying. Maybe having it reduced would be nice but Bishops don't need to be hitting 60k+ Nemesis on bosses lol. I'd say if they could top out at about 40k it would be fine. That puts them at around what Pallies are capable of damage wise and a little less than Chanters in tank gear. I don't really want to invite nub Bishops to DPS on bosses they shouldn't too much xD. 40k with great gear probably won't make them want to do that lol.
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