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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 16, 2015 17:15:21 GMT
Yup; too bad that 10% Crt Dmg does nothing for mages lol. I guess this is more for a Ench? That 10% increase in CRT damage is very useful for any HW that are int/dex/crt/vit. So with the higher probability of a spellburst hit above 200 crt, an increase of 10% makes a difference. CRT DMG does not affect Spells though - or spell burst... at least nothing I have experienced, or read about had mentioned anything like that. AFAIK, neither CRT Rate nor CRT DMG affects spells (CRT stat affects Spellburst frequency). That's why you don't see a lot of HW/Bish running around with Ultimi or Schwartz.
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 16, 2015 17:42:51 GMT
Yeah, but that 30% cancels out the Mattk-20% and adds +10% more. So it really only gives M attk+10% if Crit>199 which is outclassed by other crystals. Yup; too bad that 10% Crt Dmg does nothing for mages lol. I guess this is more for a Ench? It's for Monk+Magic Ninja probably. Enchanters don't typically use CRT either. Even at that point other stuff is typically preferred over Imseti for them anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 20:55:26 GMT
That 10% increase in CRT damage is very useful for any HW that are int/dex/crt/vit. So with the higher probability of a spellburst hit above 200 crt, an increase of 10% makes a difference. CRT DMG does not affect Spells though - or spell burst... at least nothing I have experienced, or read about had mentioned anything like that. AFAIK, neither CRT Rate nor CRT DMG affects spells (CRT stat affects Spellburst frequency). That's why you don't see a lot of HW/Bish running around with Ultimi or Schwartz. Odd enough that high wizards are still using ultimi lol. Has anyone tested whether CRT damage doesn't affect spell burst damage output? AFAIK I don't remember anyone proving that it doesn't o.o;
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 16, 2015 21:32:29 GMT
CRT DMG does not affect Spells though - or spell burst... at least nothing I have experienced, or read about had mentioned anything like that. AFAIK, neither CRT Rate nor CRT DMG affects spells (CRT stat affects Spellburst frequency). That's why you don't see a lot of HW/Bish running around with Ultimi or Schwartz. Odd enough that high wizards are still using ultimi lol. Has anyone tested whether CRT damage doesn't affect spell burst damage output? AFAIK I don't remember anyone proving that it doesn't o.o; I'll test it and let you know. I got a Vanregal+Cerberus kicking around somewhere (+22 Crt Dmg) that should make a fairly conclusive test. Just need to find it I'd be more than happy to be wrong on this one lol, since (see below \/) Don't forget, Ultimi does have -.5 SD and 6%MATK so it's actually high up there for choices, especially if you have both mage + fighter (Crit Up) in your account that can share it.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 17, 2015 3:20:43 GMT
Will post pix if needed but, full Full self buff plus:
viola fg 49-51k vanregal Cerberus 45-47k wizard hachigane sauro 45-47k
I am surprised that last two were similar though, since wiz hachi should have been higher. Maybe crt dog does do something...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 5:29:20 GMT
That 10% increase in CRT damage is very useful for any HW that are int/dex/crt/vit. So with the higher probability of a spellburst hit above 200 crt, an increase of 10% makes a difference. imo, Crit damage is physical damage, has nothing to do with spellburst. If u wanna increase spell burst, u can use spellburst xtal like ◇Rita xtal: MP cost+15% spell burst +5%. When equipped on weapon, an additional 10% spellburst rate is added.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 6:05:16 GMT
That 10% increase in CRT damage is very useful for any HW that are int/dex/crt/vit. So with the higher probability of a spellburst hit above 200 crt, an increase of 10% makes a difference. imo, Crit damage is physical damage, has nothing to do with spellburst. If u wanna increase spell burst, u can use spellburst xtal like ◇Rita xtal: MP cost+15% spell burst +5%. When equipped on weapon, an additional 10% spellburst rate is added. Doesn't that increase spellburst rate and not spellburst damage? or is it both, it hasn't been proven yet whether CRT damage doesn't affect spellburst so idk lol
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Mar 17, 2015 16:12:05 GMT
I already tested that CRT rate does NOT affect spell burst rate and critical damage does NOT affect spellburst damage. Ill just have to make a video to show it.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 17, 2015 16:25:21 GMT
I already tested that CRT rate does NOT affect spell burst rate and critical damage does NOT affect spellburst damage. Ill just have to make a video to show it. I'm going to run some more test this weekend if I can, but my tests from last night was not as conclusive as I thought they would be L243 Bishop, full self buff + Resty buff Resty Gerust Tunic Wargvel Viola FG / Vanregal Cerberus / Wiz Hachigane Sauro Light Ring ns W Viola FG W Vanregal Cerberus And just to get a "mean", Wizard Hachigane Sauro
Note that Wiz Hachi and Vanregal Cerberus had almost identical Nemesis dmg, both "only" ~10% lower than Viola FG
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 16:30:42 GMT
I already tested that CRT rate does NOT affect spell burst rate and critical damage does NOT affect spellburst damage. Ill just have to make a video to show it. I'm going to run some more test this weekend if I can, but my tests from last night was not as conclusive as I thought they would be L243 Bishop, full self buff + Resty buff Resty Gerust Tunic Wargvel Viola FG / Vanregal Cerberus / Wiz Hachigane Sauro Light Ring ns W Viola FG W Vanregal Cerberus And just to get a "mean", Wizard Hachigane Sauro
Note that Wiz Hachi and Vanregal Cerberus had almost identical Nemesis dmg, both "only" ~10% lower than Viola FG
Lol dude, i think you missed one slight thing... we're talking about high wizards with crt damage not bishops ._.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 17, 2015 16:34:49 GMT
I'm going to run some more test this weekend if I can, but my tests from last night was not as conclusive as I thought they would be L243 Bishop, full self buff + Resty buff Resty Gerust Tunic Wargvel Viola FG / Vanregal Cerberus / Wiz Hachigane Sauro Light Ring ns W Viola FG W Vanregal Cerberus And just to get a "mean", Wizard Hachigane Sauro
Note that Wiz Hachi and Vanregal Cerberus had almost identical Nemesis dmg, both "only" ~10% lower than Viola FG
Lol dude, i think you missed one slight thing... we're talking about high wizards with crt damage not bishops ._. Well, unless you're saying that results would be different between classes - which would be farfetched since we don't know that Crt Dmg does anything to Spells regardless of class, I didn't miss anything. I just used Bish because I can get Resty SB to proc more consistently than my HW's SB Skill (and he has 5K HP... not gonna play with 3 ents with that lol)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 16:41:30 GMT
Lol dude, i think you missed one slight thing... we're talking about high wizards with crt damage not bishops ._. Well, unless you're saying that results would be different between classes - which would be farfetched since we don't know that Crt Dmg does anything to Spells regardless of class, I didn't miss anything. I just used Bish because I can get Resty SB to proc more consistently than my HW's SB Skill (and he has 5K HP... not gonna play with 3 ents with that lol) Well, i mean't spellbursts' damage output being affected, thats what i was wondering if it affects the spellburst damage.. i didnt mean spell boost XD I have no idea whether CRT rate does anything to spellburst rate or not since spellburst % xtals are in game as well as abilities, so its still questionnable to me, but I might do the tests myself to see whether it does or not for both Spellburst damage and spellburst rate proc.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Mar 17, 2015 16:45:28 GMT
Well, unless you're saying that results would be different between classes - which would be farfetched since we don't know that Crt Dmg does anything to Spells regardless of class, I didn't miss anything. I just used Bish because I can get Resty SB to proc more consistently than my HW's SB Skill (and he has 5K HP... not gonna play with 3 ents with that lol) Well, i mean't spellbursts' damage output being affected, thats what i was wondering if it affects the spellburst damage.. i didnt mean spell boost XD I have no idea whether CRT rate does anything to spellburst rate or not since spellburst % xtals are in game as well as abilities, so its still questionnable to me, but I might do the tests myself to see whether it does or not for both Spellburst damage and spellburst rate proc. Sure, I see what you mean. I will try to do some HW tests too. Just not as easy to set up esp since dmg differs depending on mob hits (again, another reason why I went with Bish to test) and my HW is not high enough for L2.
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Post by skene on Mar 17, 2015 18:49:59 GMT
ok can someone with multiple stefly books try this out. cause obviously the first thing that must be answered is how much damage is reflected by CRT using "Skill: Spellburst" I know that prior to adding CRT my HW was only hitting 40-50k Spellburst damage. With only minor equip changes/xtals (Matk) and level changes I'm currently hitting 210k Spellburst damage. Now this doesnt say much as obviously things have changed since the release of apost.. However that can easily be swapped out for NS equipment or Noob equips for testing. But if someone is willing to try this... much appreciated.
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Post by drrockso on Mar 17, 2015 20:35:15 GMT
Spellboost is effected by cri rate not the damage the higher the critical the more spellburst triggers I've tested it damage dosent do anything that's why Ultimi has cri rate up to boost spellboost critical damage does nothing
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