Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 12, 2016 16:38:21 GMT
It's percentual and not flat OK so I bought a daiginjo to test this (dunno if 80m is op or not). Unfortunately, i am having a hard time to test. All my first strikes are 100% critical. Is this because of event? Or am I bugged? Are you using skills? Some skills are default to hit critical regardless of critical rate (back stab, sword tempest, astute) It shouldn't be too hard to test on auto attacks. And yeah 80m is OP for it. Unfortunately, I can't remove one of the techs now. I decided not to keep the daiginjo and the abis I bought. My glad's not built for damage and I can't work well if I can't spam skills and sp revita ale. I'm still curious though with crit rate formula. I'm waiting for Ryu's reply.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 12, 2016 16:58:17 GMT
OK so I bought a daiginjo to test this (dunno if 80m is op or not). Unfortunately, i am having a hard time to test. All my first strikes are 100% critical. Is this because of event? Or am I bugged? Are you using skills? Some skills are default to hit critical regardless of critical rate (back stab, sword tempest, astute) It shouldn't be too hard to test on auto attacks. And yeah 80m is OP for it. Unfortunately, I can't remove one of the techs now. I decided not to keep the daiginjo and the abis I bought. My glad's not built for damage and I can't work well if I can't spam skills and sp revita ale. I'm still curious though with crit rate formula. I'm waiting for Ryu's reply. No skills. Just auto attack. On my 1crt pally. Weird. I need to get some rest
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 13, 2016 1:53:58 GMT
Are you using skills? Some skills are default to hit critical regardless of critical rate (back stab, sword tempest, astute) It shouldn't be too hard to test on auto attacks. And yeah 80m is OP for it. Unfortunately, I can't remove one of the techs now. I decided not to keep the daiginjo and the abis I bought. My glad's not built for damage and I can't work well if I can't spam skills and sp revita ale. I'm still curious though with crit rate formula. I'm waiting for Ryu's reply. No skills. Just auto attack. On my 1crt pally. Weird. I need to get some rest Idk about you or your pally but something's off with the formula or maybe I'm computing incorrectly.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 4:45:05 GMT
I can confirm daiginjo is not flat rate. When I wear it with suigetsu for my sin, I won't see critical at all when I do normal attack.
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 4:47:37 GMT
I don't understand. 65 what and 58 what? Critical rate. We are still talking about critical rate right? I'm using @65 flat Ultimi up 10 Tech 5 25 Tech4 20 Tech2 10 Following your formula with that much flat crit rate and I still got 58% critical rate. Which is obviously wrong. Tested and procs almost no white damage. 58% wont do that. Do you understand now or do I need to show the computatiob? When you test this on monsters, did you count miss? Or, did you just count white or orange only?
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 13, 2016 4:57:01 GMT
Critical rate. We are still talking about critical rate right? I'm using @65 flat Ultimi up 10 Tech 5 25 Tech4 20 Tech2 10 Following your formula with that much flat crit rate and I still got 58% critical rate. Which is obviously wrong. Tested and procs almost no white damage. 58% wont do that. Do you understand now or do I need to show the computatiob? When you test this on monsters, did you count miss? Or, did you just count white or orange only? just white and orange I didn't observe any miss. Tested on baum warriors.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 5:15:38 GMT
When you test this on monsters, did you count miss? Or, did you just count white or orange only? just white and orange I didn't observe any miss. Tested on baum warriors. You mean "you didn't see any miss came out" or "you didn't check miss"? >.<
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 13, 2016 5:25:43 GMT
just white and orange I didn't observe any miss. Tested on baum warriors. You mean "you didn't see any miss came out" or "you didn't check miss"? >.< I said I didn't observe any. That means there's none. I'd tell otherwise. >_> No misses. The accuracy rate penalty of daiginjo wont apply to me (if that's what you're referring to). Baums I think is only 250. I'm 285. I was also wearing an Atleta Ring (-30% hit).
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Post by _ on Feb 13, 2016 5:40:15 GMT
You mean "you didn't see any miss came out" or "you didn't check miss"? >.< I said I didn't observe any. That means there's none. I'd tell otherwise. >_> No misses. The accuracy rate penalty of daiginjo wont apply to me (if that's what you're referring to). Baums I think is only 250. I'm 285. I was also wearing an Atleta Ring (-30% hit). -30% hit is only for accuracy not crt rate
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 13, 2016 6:07:08 GMT
I said I didn't observe any. That means there's none. I'd tell otherwise. >_> No misses. The accuracy rate penalty of daiginjo wont apply to me (if that's what you're referring to). Baums I think is only 250. I'm 285. I was also wearing an Atleta Ring (-30% hit). -30% hit is only for accuracy not crt rate Read our trail first. >_> He was already asking for accuracy and not crit rate anymore..
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 7:16:21 GMT
You mean "you didn't see any miss came out" or "you didn't check miss"? >.< I said I didn't observe any. That means there's none. I'd tell otherwise. >_> No misses. The accuracy rate penalty of daiginjo wont apply to me (if that's what you're referring to). Baums I think is only 250. I'm 285. I was also wearing an Atleta Ring (-30% hit). If you have no miss, what are your al xtals, class, and other gear(if possible)? I try to find out what is the error. >.<
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 13, 2016 7:29:19 GMT
I can confirm daiginjo is not flat rate. When I wear it with suigetsu for my sin, I won't see critical at all when I do normal attack. Yeah I tested the same with suigetsu and have the same conclusion.
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Feb 13, 2016 8:05:50 GMT
I said I didn't observe any. That means there's none. I'd tell otherwise. >_> No misses. The accuracy rate penalty of daiginjo wont apply to me (if that's what you're referring to). Baums I think is only 250. I'm 285. I was also wearing an Atleta Ring (-30% hit). If you have no miss, what are your al xtals, class, and other gear(if possible)? I try to find out what is the error. >.< Gladiator Ultimi up Dorry Tech2 Daiginjo Raton Tech5 Black Barette Tech4 Alteta Ring Beelzenoid Fide Espada Vatendeth R/G Maelriel Cheltil Gauchel Valtia Zazel Misses happen when your level is lower than the mob. Even with Dai up and Atleta I still wont miss.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Feb 14, 2016 2:51:43 GMT
I can not find the answer. After searching for couple Japanese pages, I found some strange formula(I think its not correct). So, I give up on searching.
I test something with daiginjo. I found -70% from daiginjo is correct. Ultimi status is correct(I wore ultimi s/dorry with a spec s/schlingel when testing this to check the wording of Critical Up). Only one thing I am not certain now is crt/3 rule. But, I cannot found any answer anywhere. It is a question mark for me.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 14, 2016 5:45:00 GMT
If you have no miss, what are your al xtals, class, and other gear(if possible)? I try to find out what is the error. >.< Gladiator Ultimi up Dorry Tech2 Daiginjo Raton Tech5 Black Barette Tech4 Alteta Ring Beelzenoid Fide Espada Vatendeth R/G Maelriel Cheltil Gauchel Valtia Zazel Misses happen when your level is lower than the mob. Even with Dai up and Atleta I still wont miss. Tested with my gladiator (256crt). Helshaft (+30 rate) Shiorito (+12 rate) 3x techs (+25, +20, +15) I use berserk and I still get some white damage wearing daiginjo so the formula works for me. Per the formula I have 57% which looks just about right since majority of my attacks are crits now. Your case remains to be a puzzle for me.
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